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Maybe no one wants Robert because he stinks

Chris Getz was the director of player development. The White Sox have less talent than any team in baseball. It doesn't matter who you want to blame, those outcomes are his responsibility.

At this point I can’t even be mad anymore, this is impressive

I know this start isn’t going to change the return on Fedde, but just such a dumb way to handle the situation all around.

Fedde pitching tonight is on par for this brain dead organization.

LOL. $3 million for 16IP with 6.75 ERA $187,500 per inning pitched 303 pitches thrown, $9,901 per pitch.

The title says it all. We have one of the worst offenses in modern baseball history and little to no pieces that will be part of the next good one outside of possibly Robert (if not traded), Baldwin, & Lee. As such, Getz will almost have to build an entire lineup from scratch which will be no easy feat. And to make matters that much harder, a ton of our top positional prospects have struggled this year in Colson (85 wRC+ in AAA), Ramos (66 wRC+ in AAA), & Gonzalez (77 wRC+ in AA). The three more advanced OF prospects in our system in Colas (97 wRC+), Fletcher (89 wRC+), & DeLoach (93 wRC+) all look more like AAAA guys. And there’s not a ton at the young levels to get excited about with Zavala hitting below .200 (despite an elite BB rate) and Burrowes mostly a disaster. Wolkow is obviously highly intriguing but has a long ways to go with the K rate before he enters the long-term plan and Ronny Hernandez has been a pleasant surprise this year but is a 19 year old catcher in A ball. As I‘ve stated before, I do have confidence in Bannister and the pitching side of things, but the outlook for the offense is beyond a bit terrifying. What should the plan be there? How do we go about building something capable and in a quick enough fashion to match up with the timeline of the pitching? And have we ever seen a GM have to accomplish this large of a task in recent memory, especially with positional prospects harder than ever to pry from other organizations?

Mr. Clean has been compromising major league games for the past two seasons.

Eloy hit in shoulder, out for 3 years. RIP!

Not trading Fedde would be a colossal failure. He has no future on a contending White Sox team and his value will never be higher. I don’t care if the return is consider underwhelming, he has to be moved.

WestEddy

Does it really matter what the lineup is, they all stink.

More wasted JR money but he's OK with handing that out to stiffs, has-been's and injury prone guys. But give 25 million to a franchise changing player like Bryce Harper? Oh no, can't do that...it offends his sense of fiscal responsibility! ?

Thread has been cleaned out, and warnings/ suspensions issued. If people would like to keep going, there is more room on the bench.

An absolutely insane take. I didn't read after the word yes.

Sign premier free agents but we know that the wretched owner won’t do that, only hope is new ownership and damn soon.

He’s still in his rookie contract and isn’t getting paid much in 24 because he’s been hurt for a good chunk of his career to this point. In most orgs, Crochet would have spent significant time in the minors and would be making even less, and potentially 2 extra years away from FA. He really doesn’t have much to b**** about.

Have you seen Scott’s hitting this year? He’s literally perfect for what Getz has acquired.

Him leading off is also a stupid idea

robert is a bum.

Let's sit everyone until Wednesday.

Another strikeout for Robert. He has no clue at the plate

It’s a breeze if you just expect a loss. ?

Does he want to play?

Have another drink or six there my friend.

This season is beyond a nightmare, eventually they might make a movie about it, will be scarier than The Exorcist.

Nothing good is happening to the White Sox ever again. We all know this.

Thank Fedde. You seemed like a good guy. Shame you had to endure being on such a lousy team

Davis Martin starting tonight would be my guess.

Even if Fedde isn’t traded yet, there is really no advantage to starting him tonight, only risk of him getting injured in a meaningless Sox game. Plus, whatever team acquires him will be able to pitch him right away rather than wait for his next scheduled turn in their rotation.

Profar? Winker?

Yall Getz is great and Getz is the worst thing ever people need to makeout already.

There are plenty of teams still interested in Crochet, to think this “bombshell report” completely dries up his market is wild to me. He’s still one of the 10 best pitcher in all of baseball this year, him wanting to get paid more than $800k per doesn’t change that fact. I think he still gets moved and if he doesn’t I’m hopeful that he finishes the season strong and gets a potentially even bigger haul in the offseason.

Wait for a certain someone to pass away.

I fully agree we need OBP and power, particularly savage power, but unfortunately Getz doesn't seem to value that and he's apparently content trying to win games 4-3 or 3-2 with pitching, defense and speed on the bases. I'm not really a fan of this philosophy particularly in our ballpark, but it is what it is. He might get a savage bat at some point in these trades, but I doubt he will get a bunch of them.

Sherman wrote a column today on why the Dodgers could still be a fit for Crochet and even without an extension. His main point was the Dodgers are looking for a game changer for October since they are already a lock for the playoffs. And if they acquire Crochet, they can either work on an extension post trade or try to convince him that they can manage his workload (assuming as opener) and keep his arm healthy for a playoff run without one. I still think it’s a massive long shot, but I do agree they are the one team that would probably take on some risk in this type of trade. For the Sox, I don’t think you compromise your valuation all that much. I’d personally need De Paula, Freeland, Hope, plus a second tier arm to make a deal with them. And to me, that’s a no brainer trade for the Dodgers with the way they develop talent.

I think hiring a director of international scouting should be Getz's number 1 priority this offseason. They're already years behind now though.

Sounds like Davis Martin in the clubhouse. So at least they have a plan.

Either: A. The Sox knew Crochet likely wasn't willing to pitch into October and somehow didn't announce they weren't trading him despite months of rampant speculation. or B. Crochet came back from an exhibition game where he willingly pitched and expressed new demands and completely screwed the club that drafted him, got him to the show immediately, ripped through years of team control with zero concern for the club's interest, continued to let him start when the entire league assumed he was a reliever and then already began protecting him this summer... whew. I think it is B and Sox fans should BOO the heck of out of him. I'd option him down today.

I'm sure it's already been a failure in your eyes. 1st thing you did when the whole Crochet thing stated was blame the Sox. I on the other hand always thought Crochet would be difficult to move and doubted he would be traded and said so in many posts and because of that you called me naive . I chose to use my mind in analyzing the situation instead of believing reports that it was a certainty that he would be moved after he refused a White Sox extention. Before and after that report the situation was the same .He probably wouldn't have been able to pitch in the playoffs anyway so who exactly was going to trade for him ? I thought the Dodgers might trade so him, not necessarily to count on him to pitch in the playoffs but might get him now and use him for the next 2 years . They also could offer him an extension, not necessarily right away but after he pitched well in 2025 .I'm sure they would offer him a much larger extension than the Sox ever would. However as with any trade Getz would have to be satisfied with the return. If he traded with the Dodgers I could surmise that you would be among the 1st to say Getz made a terrible trade. Also youve had a hard time distinguishing between defending Getz and defending that he was hired to be thrust into a no win situation by an owner who appears to have more important interests he plans to invest in and speaks with a forked tongue regarding the Sox. If JR needs cash for those other investments why spend millions of dollars to make the Sox better in the next few years ? He'll allow token money to be spent like this year after payroll was slashed and part of that slashing was trading Cease. It'll be slashed again when Moncada and Eloy are off the books and maybe others. They are currently planning to slash more by trading anyone with a pulse which also has been no surprise since January . You blame Getz for not getting better players on the roster when he had hardly any money to spend. Do you think he just wanted to sign a bunch of bums ? Of course not . But he had a lot of roster spots to fill and no players to fill them . His choice was either give a bunch of guys minor league contracts which I doubt MLB would be happy about or sign a bunch of guys who might play decent defense or at least be good guys because the only good players he might have were pitchers. He got Fedde to sign here. Does that mean he outsmarted every GM in baseball, all of whom could've used a guy like Fedde ? How many GMs biggest expenditure of the off season was $15M on a 2 year contract ? You complain that any blind man could see that he wasted millions of dollars on Lopez and Maldonado. Have you analyzed every free agent dollar spent last winter and seen how much was spent on guys having terrible years or got injured or signed guys they later released ? Getz was operating from the cheap seats signing marginal players. Of course his failure rate was going to be high. He's a damn pawn of Reinsdorf given peanuts to spend on scraps in the 1st full year of a knockdown & rebuild and you act like you expected miracles. He actually did get 2 miracles Fedde and Crochet none of whom you ever give him credit for. Both far outweigh your minor grievances turning molehills into mountains. Some of his most expensive and supposedly best players that he inherited once again proved that they couldn't stay healthy or not worth the money they were paid so no salary relief or prospects to get there. So sorry JR WhiteSox2023 is on the job making sure the pennies you gave Getz is well spent. You recently asked and why exactly does Getz deserve credit for Crochet ? I believe it was satisfactorily answered by more than just me. He's not to blame for what Crochet's agents did either.

I just don’t understand why the pivot wasn’t Nimmala or Miller. My goodness

Who are these fans you speak of?

I’m with ya. I would have sent him to AAA to ramp up for a month. I said it all winter. But I’m also willing to admit what they did has been a smashing success. For all we know, he gets hurt in AAA and he’s basically toast in our mind at this point. Even if he’s not traded before the deadline, the Sox will cash in on him assuming he stays healthy. And honestly, I’d kid glove the hell out of him if he’s not moved.

That’s certainly what I wanted and It would have made a ton of sense, but what they did sure worked. Sure this situation sucks, but you’re still sitting on a gold mine this winter if he’s not moved next few days.

100%. He will be a star the moment he has something to play for. I get that pisses some people off, but it’s hard to stay motived when you play for Pedro Grifol and will likely be competing for the all time worst record.

Honestly, as a lot of us wanted, they should have started him in the minors THIS SEASON and eased him into the role. Let him build early/get a year of control back. Now they have this mess.

Still need bats! Sign Soto to massive deal and make him the face of the franchise the next 14-15 years. Edit: while we are talking about things that won't happen.