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My question, as usual with the Sox: Was Paul Janish even in the conversation for any other MLB team to take any sort of development role, let alone the head of player development for an entire organization?

The bar is low enough that seeing no Royals connection or promotion from within has me open minded.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38793943/way-too-early-2024-mlb-power-rankings Spoiler alert -- scroll to 30th

Ctrl - C Ctrl - V Will save you some time this off season.

They just need 3 or 4 starters, 3 or 4 bullpen arms, a few defensive upgrades (at LF, RF, SS, 1B, and C), and like 7 upgrades on offense (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, RF). Plus a good coaching staff and medical staff. Other than that, they're right there.

The '05 Sox and the '99 Yankees are tied for all-time playoff win percentage. So if we look at their losses as the deciding factor. Both in the ALCS. Sox lost 3-2 to the Angels. Yankees lost 13-1 against the Red Sox. Yes, the Yankees were up against prime Pedro. But the Yankees had Clemens coming off back-to-back Cy Youngs (he had an average year, but w/e). Therefore,, logically the '05 White Sox are the greatest playoff team of all-time.

I don't have time to read this ESPN article but does it mention that the only American League teams to not win a World Series are The Rays, Mariners, and White Sox?

Some talk among some of the talking heads this may be a guy the Sox should look to. Not happening. Resigned with the Dodgers today, two years, 24 million. I just have a feeling the Sox free agent possibilities are going to be very slim pickings. This is just an awful situation, just brutal across the board in all areas. How quickly everything went downhill and completely fell apart. Truly remarkable.

I have no issue with this. Analytical type from outside the org. Player development directors rarely have experience because they get promoted to other jobs generally He also has a connection with Walt Jocketty who hangs out with Jerry Reinsdorf and Tony La Russa….

Oh, so it isn't Hugh's brother.

They had to try very hard to make the hire sound legitimate. It was a step above saying, “he has 30+ years of professional baseball experience, and now we’re going to break down his time playing going back to t-ball.”

But he probably works cheap! 😄

Par for the course………..cheap uninspiring hire with no real experience for job hired.

According to some national "specialists" they would say this team is a sleeping giant. Lmao.

We don't need rankings to tell us this team won't be seriously contending for anything in 2024. Too many things would have to go right, and that hasn't happened much lately.

This Rangers team had a lot of the same guys on offense last year and they were nowhere near this good. Bochy and his staff definitely played a role in them improving. Now imagine if we could have taken that and put it towards the 2021 White Sox... I don't think I can ever forgive JR for hiring La Russa.

shame on anyone who spends money on this organization next year, this is insulting

https://x.com/VinnieDuber/status/1720202799181357348?s=20

Better than KW Jr I guess

Sox did make 4 roster moves today 😄 11/02/23 RHP José Ureña elected free agency. 11/02/23 SS Elvis Andrus elected free agency. 11/02/23 RHP Bryan Shaw elected free agency. 11/02/23 C Yasmani Grandal elected free agency.

He had an option for $14M so was unlikely to be a free agent anyway. Good move lower the AAV for luxury tax purposes.

Yes and no

Greg...news bulletin: the pronounced shift defensive alignment is out.

So far nothing the franchise has done since the hiring of Getz has improved the situation one iota. Addition by subtraction would have worked by sending Grifol out the door and of course hiring Getz was probably a big mistake.

From the perspective of a student there when he was fired... I think he also got way worse over time and as the accolades piled up. I can't look at that picture of him and his team from 76 or Isiah Thomas saying "prayers for our coach" yesterday, or the way Mike Woodson has treated him the last few years, and believe that he was also kicking these guys in the shins and slapping them on a regular basis. He might have been tough, but to do what he did there in the 70s, I struggle to see him being that level of abusive. I think especially after that undefeated season, the "legend of Bob Knight" started to grow, that fed his ego, and maybe he had fewer people willing to call him out if he pushed up against a line and eventually stepped over it. I think you can see this with the stores and books published about the 1980s, there's a level of "pushing the line" that isn't quite physically violent but isn't ok in those stories. Then there were some down seasons in the mid-80s and that took him to another level, that was when the chair incident happened. That's when a lot of the first incidents between him and the press, between him and his family apparently happened. What I remember from the 1990s and early 2000s teams is that they had way more talent and were way better put together than their final results would show. They could hang with anyone, but they'd often lose - I think they were legitimately playing scared all the time. I was at one game against Ohio State, the refs were calling the game tough, Indiana was the better team, but they lost because they weren't being aggressive at all, they were hanging back and expecting fouls. They knew if they screwed up that they'd get in real trouble, so they didn't focus on doing their best, they focused on not trying to make their coach angry. That fits with the high number of transfers they were getting in the late 90s from players who came there and wanted to get away from him. They stopped winning, and that was because of him too.

November 2, 1993 - Sox pitcher “Black” Jack McDowell easily captured the American League Cy Young Award. He beat out Randy Johnson. McDowell went 22-10 with a 3.37 ERA. He led the league in wins and shutouts. He was second in innings pitched and third in complete games. Jack got 124 points to Johnson’s 75. From 1990 through 1994 Jack won more games than any pitcher in the American League, 73 to be exact.

lol "Coach Robert Montgomery Knight"

Let the offseason begin. Can't wait for the White Sox to find new and interesting ways to disappoint, with even the lowest of expectations.

The White Sox can rebound...They can be that team that loses 90-100 and wins in a couple years. BUT They have they have to spend the money and spend it wisely (enough bullpen big contracts) Hire GOOD coaching to keep the team focused all season. They have to start DEVELOPING Young talent. No more drafting and signing talent and letting them "find themselves". Will they? Probably not.

I always wished my second World Series parade would be in Chicago again... But taking my youngest son to his first parade (my oldest got to go in 2005) will be special.

Bob Knight was a great coach and trash person that probably influenced tons of jagoff high school coaches across the country to abuse athletes trying to have fun in a laundry list of sports because they thought it was the best way to get results. In conclusion: Good for him that he got results. The fact that you of all people SSHM - with your laundry list rants about TLR's persona during his two year stint - aren't recognizing that Bob Knight was a douchebag, just shows that plenty of people are willing to overlook abuse if it gets a W.

The Sox were ranked #2 in the 2022 version of these power rankings. So in conclusion: these lists are fucking stupid. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32515195/way-too-early-2022-mlb-power-rankings

I wish I could go back in time to 2017 and tell myself not to bother with this team

Bruce Bochy: who knew? (Besides everyone, I mean.) I swear this season was custom-designed to torment me personally.

Guys with 2 WS MVP trophies: Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, Reggie Jackson, Corey Seager.

It is honestly that bad for me too. What we were promised and what we ended up with is a straight up disservice to the fans. This is a year they were supposed to be a prime WS contender and missing opportunities to beat a team like the Diamondbacks just plain sucks. Also I would have been a pig in s%*# since I live in AZ and would have spent way too much money going to games. 😂 The Sox... they gawn.

Now that he's won a World Series in an odd-numbered year, yes.

RF: Michael Conforto (0.7) / Gavin Sheets (-1.4) + 2.1 2B: Whit Merrifield (0.8) / Elvis Andrus (0.6) + 0.2 C : Austin Hedges (-0.1) / Yasmani Grandal (-0.7) + 0.6 SP: Lucas Giolito (-1.2) / Lucas Giolito (2.8) - 1.6 SP: Jack Flaherty (-0.5) / Mike Clevinger (2.2) -1.7 So basically, we would be LOSING 0.4 WAR with these 5 signings depending on how you hash it out.

You are such a lame idiot. Can't stand your posts

The White Sox have been around since 1901, that's 122 years. We have made the playoffs 11 times in that 122 year span. While playoffs have slowly expanded over that time frame, there is no Sox fan that should be calling making the playoffs unimpressive.

They improve 15 games, they win 76. That;s a good year for Rick Hahn, but really no one else.

They had 20% of the list last year and he’s worse now than when he was with the Sox. Does Garfein think shortstop and third base don’t need fixing? Left field is solid? There are too many holes on this team. They are not getting filled.

If they could have landed Harper and Wheeler I think it changes the fortunes of this franchise massively. Harper especially.

The dumpster diving world which what the Sox generally do.

This team had a .329 winning percentage once they ditched Lynn, Giolito, Lopez, Graveman, and Kelly. We don't have the spend available to replace all of them. They went 18-37 from the trade deadline to the end of the season. Its a dire situation.

Ill wait to see what happens with the pitching staff, but as of now there is no way they don't lose 100 games again. The rotation is Cease and then your choice of four other 5+ ERA guys or rookies who weren't even performing well. There are no difference makers in the lineup outside of Luis Robert. This 26 man roster is Cease and Robert, and 24 replacement or worse level players. There is not enough money to fix every issue with this team, and they are bringing back to same manager who lead this disaster last season. If they sign a few competent starting pitchers, there is probably enough there to keep it in the 90-94 range. If the rotation is filled out with Kopech, Toussaint, Scholtens, etc. 100 losses is as close to a lock as it will get.

This is so hilariously spot on. The season was a disaster Pedro, what are you going to do? Well, I need to replace all these bums I hired. lol. Im sorry, but there is no justification what so ever to bring back a manager that lost 100 games in a season where the organization expected to contend. It just can't happen. Especially when they are about to go out and lose 90-100 again next season, and Pedro will almost surely be fired when that happens. Its a waste of time.

I don't want to put in the effort to find this answer, so maybe someone else wants to, but when is the last time a team expected to contend for a World Series lost 100 games and didn't replace their manager? Has this EVER happened?

lol yeah ok Len, Snell is going to skip a start against the White Sox to try and preserve his league leading ERA.

Even with Moncada, his last 28 days of .337 / .382 / .972 gives me some hope that maybe he can be good again and if so, hes a very trade-able asset at the deadline next season. But it would be so fitting to trade Moncada to KC for Perez while Moncada puts up a 5 WAR season and KC moves him for some high level prospect(s) at the deadline while we have Perez doing his best Grandal impression and on the books for 22 million in 2025.