Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Do you think TLR is “helping” out or are you with McGuffey saying he is not being brought in as a consultant The White Sox have said that he's not a consultant. He is still under contract however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The White Sox have said that he's not a consultant. He is still under contract however. Was going to say, I don't think "he's being brought back" because he never really left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If he is going to start taking actions that repeatedly lead to only white men being considered for key positions, actions that he himself worked to limit 25 years ago in baseball because of how race factored into it, then yes race is a factor. Not only should we not tolerate it, but we should call it out publicly. Kenny Williams, Jerry Manuel, Ozzie Guillen, Rick Renteria, Pedro Grifol, all say "Hi." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 As Jon Greenberg wrote today in The Athletic: "Just when you think Reinsdorf has switched things up, he shows you he’s still the same stubborn guy who desperately wants to win but has no idea how to do it." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said: Kenny Williams, Jerry Manuel, Ozzie Guillen, Rick Renteria, Pedro Grifol, all say "Hi." He's met his quota so he gets an exemption from the rules and can hire all the mediocre white people he wants. That's how it works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 How about Getz can't be promoted until he drafts and develops a non 1st round pick who can put up a .300 OBP? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Quin said: Also, building on this, Chuck emphatically declared that even he could build a major league roster — based on TWTW — because of his time spent in clubhouses as a reporter. Chuck is fun to listen to, but until this season he carried enough water to fill the Grand Canyon. I enjoyed that podcast but it turned into a giant meatball fest by the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 yeah don’t get me wrong, Hahn stunk and deserved to be fired. But when you try to resign and aren’t allowed, it’s pretty shitty way to do business. Hahn can suck and JR treated him poorly. It’s not right to hold someone hostage when they want to take accountability and resign. 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: Hahn was GM for 11 years. He made his bed. Zero sympathy from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I kind of wish there was video of the anti porn seminar so I could see the faces when he tries to sell a bunch of 20 year old elite athletes on abstinence 😂 Clevinger, Bauer and Wander Franco might've benefited from something like this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, NCsoxfan said: yeah don’t get me wrong, Hahn stunk and deserved to be fired. But when you try to resign and aren’t allowed, it’s pretty shitty way to do business. Hahn can suck and JR treated him poorly. It’s not right to hold someone hostage when they want to take accountability and resign. See, I don't buy that at all. Feels too much like Hahn trying to exonerate himself from his role in the dysfunction. Even if it's true, Hahn could have still resigned and found work elsewhere. His contract with the White Sox doesn't preclude him from working in a different industry. He wasn't literally a hostage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 2 hours ago, DFAthewave69420 said: Preston Mattingly seems like a breath of fresh air. Don Mattingly’s son, correct? So he was born into it and this would be a form of nepotism. He also appears to be white and is likely a Christian. Soxtalk will take a hard pass on this guy, if this thread is any indication haha. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 43 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: He's met his quota so he gets an exemption from the rules and can hire all the mediocre white people he wants. That's how it works. Please try to be a little less racist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Alright, lets turn down the stove on the race/religion stuff for now. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, almagest said: Clevinger, Bauer and Wander Franco might've benefited from something like this Listen here. We don’t want to try to better our players. But we also want to complain when they beat their wives and knock up their side pieces. What is so hard to understand? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said: Don Mattingly’s son, correct? So he was born into it and this would be a form of nepotism. He also appears to be white and is likely a Christian. Soxtalk will take a hard pass on this guy, if this thread is any indication haha. He's actually had a few different jobs, the teams he worked for were decent to strong. Dave Dombrowski has good things to say about him. He likely had extra chances initially as a player because of his dad, and perhaps an initial foot in the front office door, but he looks to have performed well with the Padres and Phillies, gained growing responsibilities in his career. I'll trust a Dave Dombrowski hire over a Rick Hahn hire. I'd like to learn more and hope he gets a legitimate interview if interested. He won't if the Sox stick to their unnecessarily rushed timeline, since the Phillies are competing for a World Series. https://eu.indystar.com/story/sports/2022/07/14/preston-mattingly-college-basketball-baseball-mlb-phillies/9406027002/ Quote “Preston has a tremendous background for this position,” Phillies president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said in a statement announcing Mattingly's hire. “He has the ability to combine and use the necessary analytical skills blended with his baseball knowledge and he possesses leadership capabilities that are apparent very quickly." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 57 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: He's met his quota so he gets an exemption from the rules and can hire all the mediocre white people he wants. That's how it works. Normally people who go there are racist themselves or hate themselves. Which one are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: How about Getz can't be promoted until he drafts and develops a non 1st round pick who can put up a .300 OBP? Getz doesn't draft players or coach the players so..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Law’s piece this morning was beautiful. Just a complete obliteration of the front office. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, Green Line said: Please try to be a little less racist. JR has always struck me as colorblind when it comes to failure. KW, Jerry Manuel, Wilder as good examples. When it comes to mediocrity and failure, JR favors no particular race. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Getz doesn't draft players or coach the players so..... Isn't he in charge of development? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Maybe I’m in the bargaining phase, but I think I could live with Getz if the Sox brought a legit President of Baseball Ops in like Click. But Getz as the primary decision maker is sickening and I want nothing to do with Moore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmb35 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said: Don Mattingly’s son, correct? So he was born into it and this would be a form of nepotism. He also appears to be white and is likely a Christian. Soxtalk will take a hard pass on this guy, if this thread is any indication haha. That's a weird way of defending the seriously inappropriate behavior of Dayton Moore. What's the angle you're going for here? What are you implying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Maybe I’m in the bargaining phase, but I think I could live with Getz if the Sox brought a legit President of Baseball Ops in like Click. But Getz as the primary decision maker is sickening and I want nothing to do with Moore. If one of these roles was filled externally, and there was a quality process for both that did not seek to circumvent league rules, I could potentially be persuaded to give them more of a chance as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Maybe I’m in the bargaining phase, but I think I could live with Getz if the Sox brought a legit President of Baseball Ops in like Click. But Getz as the primary decision maker is sickening and I want nothing to do with Moore. I want a full house cleaning. There's no evidence Getz has any particular skill at what he does. The Sox finished dead last in overall org minor league performance by run differential. The coaches, scouts, and everybody else responsible need to be broomed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 I've been a bit checked out last day or so. Has there been any clear indication whether TLR is actually legitimately involved in decision making here, or is this is as simple as JR answered a phone from his old buddy TLR and some writers running with it? Seems like the reporting I have seen on it is all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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