Fire Chris Getz

[caulfield12]

Making a Taylor into a short reliever just hasn't worked...that said, should have been given a clean inning.

Edited August 27 by caulfield12

[nrockway]

50 minutes ago, wegner said:

I know they are often a crapshoot, but this bullpen he put together is just ass

Better ERA than the Dodgers or Yankees or Phillies. The ERA, before tonight, is 14 points better than league average. Dunno how that changes with ballpark factors. The peripherals suggest the ERA should be better, I think we saw that tonight with a series of softly hit balls resulting in a bunch of runs. Bad calls to the bullpen. Bad pitch calls. And a defense that is 5th worst in combined defensive fWAR with lefties pulling the ball to the worst defender on the team.

I'd put this L on Venable. They pull Tayor because 3 lefties are coming up for Alexander who a 5+ ERA in August before tonight and was put into a tough, bases loaded, closing situation. Eisert hasn't pitched this series and has a sub 3 ERA this month. But threw 24 pitches on the 24th in a blowout. Gilbert threw 22 last night in a blowout. Either one of those guys was a better choice tonight based on the trends. Can't say with confidence those two guys also picked up off the waiver wire would've performed any better, but at the very least the recent trends suggest they might have. Shuster or Booser should've been the guy, but they were failed acquisitions to be sure. All in all, pretty marginal, inexpensive relief pitchers in a down season. But might've made the difference tonight if Getz acquired, I dunno, Aroldis Chapman. But he's earning $10mil and why sign a reliever to that contract when the playoffs were never in the cards? Actual good left-handed relief pitchers are rare and expensive. Or they're in arbitration.

I think it's a question of why are the Sox using the sparse lefty relievers they have left for multiple innings in blowouts. Seems like the exact situation to use Wikelman or Taylor to help the rookies build confidence and get some innings without pressure. Use the lefties situationally. Don't expect Grant to just be a stud immediately, he threw 16 innings of good ball at A level before being crowned a star. Then was really good at Birmingham before making the leap to the MLB team and being expected to close and deal with tough situations. Seems pretty bad for his development.  The box score goes down as 0 earned runs for Alexander, but that call blew the game and it was actually blown the last two games. Should've been thinking this situation might come up. Hopefully it's a learning experience for the rookie manager.

 

Edited August 27 by nrockway

[fathom]

7 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Better ERA than the Dodgers or Yankees or Phillies. The ERA, before tonight, is 14 points better than league average. Dunno how that changes with ballpark factors. The peripherals suggest the ERA should be better, I think we saw that tonight with a series of softly hit balls resulting in a bunch of runs. Bad calls to the bullpen. Bad pitch calls. And a defense that is 5th worst in combined defensive fWAR with lefties pulling the ball to the worst defender on the team.

I'd put this L on Venable. They pull Tayor because 3 lefties are coming up for Alexander who a 5+ ERA in August before tonight and was put into a tough, bases loaded, closing situation. Eisert hasn't pitched this series and has a sub 3 ERA this month. But threw 24 pitches on the 24th in a blowout. Gilbert threw 22 last night in a blowout. Either one of those guys was a better choice tonight based on the trends. Can't say with confidence those two guys also picked up off the waiver wire would've performed any better, but at the very least the recent trends suggest they might have. Shuster or Booser should've been the guy, but they were failed acquisitions to be sure. All in all, pretty marginal, inexpensive relief pitchers in a down season. But might've made the difference tonight if Getz acquired, I dunno, Aroldis Chapman. But he's earning $10mil and why sign a reliever to that contract when the playoffs were never in the cards? Actual good left-handed relief pitchers are rare and expensive. Or they're in arbitration.

I think it's a question of why are the Sox using the sparse lefty relievers they have left for multiple innings in blowouts. Seems like the exact situation to use Wikelman or Taylor to help the rookies build confidence and get some innings without pressure. Use the lefties situationally. Don't expect Grant to just be a stud immediately, he threw 16 innings of good ball at A level before being crowned a star. Then was really good at Birmingham before making the leap to the MLB team and being expected to close and deal with tough situations. Seems pretty bad for his development.  The box score goes down as 0 earned runs for Alexander, but that call blew the game and it was actually blown the last two games. Should've been thinking this situation might come up. Hopefully it's a learning experience for the rookie manager.

 

Nice post….thoughts on infield in up the middle in a tie game there?

[nrockway]

20 minutes ago, fathom said:

Nice post….thoughts on infield in up the middle in a tie game there?

Sosa should've at least knocked that one ball down, right? I guess it wouldn't have made a difference. Meidroth might've made the play and the out.

The thing I'm hung up on is before they even got into a bases loaded situation. Taylor had Pasquantino down 0-2 pumping the fastball then threw him a curveball in the middle of the plate. My caveman brain knew something offspeed was coming, it was so telegraphed, and it was a bad location.At least throw it way off the plate or keep going to the fastball.

He finally hit the spot with a slider to Salvy and he struck out trying to check his swing, after shaking off Teel, after pumping him with the fastball to get ahead. Then he threw Yaz a great fastball before another softly hit curveball in the middle of the plate. At that point, he's in trouble, and hot India made a nice hit on a fastball that was 2MPH slower than what he was throwing to the other guys.

Alexander just blew it. I think he's generally been pretty good, but not in that situation and not over the last month. He doesn't have upside and he's not a closer. Someone else in the gamethread suggested to just keep Taylor in and see if he could work through it. I agree with that, let it be a learning experience for Taylor since he's tagged with the ERs anyway. Wilson should've been the call to begin with if we were actually trying to close out a win (and he came up clutch), but it ended up not being a learning experience for the rookie and Alexander is just some guy who might not be around the MLB much longer. 

I've thought all season Venable is too obsessed with 'splits', left on left or whatever. But I guess any manager would call to the lefty pitcher when 3 left-handed batters at the bottom of the order are coming up. Alexander has looked like s%*# all month though, that should take precedence to 'the splits'. 

edit: kinda think Teel doesn't look so hot calling a game. Lee should be the backup catcher, I thought Teel could play left field. IDK about Quero, but at least he has a cannon.

Edited August 27 by nrockway

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

16 hours ago, nrockway said:

Better ERA than the Dodgers or Yankees or Phillies. The ERA, before tonight, is 14 points better than league average. Dunno how that changes with ballpark factors. The peripherals suggest the ERA should be better, I think we saw that tonight with a series of softly hit balls resulting in a bunch of runs. Bad calls to the bullpen. Bad pitch calls. And a defense that is 5th worst in combined defensive fWAR with lefties pulling the ball to the worst defender on the team.

I'd put this L on Venable. They pull Tayor because 3 lefties are coming up for Alexander who a 5+ ERA in August before tonight and was put into a tough, bases loaded, closing situation. Eisert hasn't pitched this series and has a sub 3 ERA this month. But threw 24 pitches on the 24th in a blowout. Gilbert threw 22 last night in a blowout. Either one of those guys was a better choice tonight based on the trends. Can't say with confidence those two guys also picked up off the waiver wire would've performed any better, but at the very least the recent trends suggest they might have. Shuster or Booser should've been the guy, but they were failed acquisitions to be sure. All in all, pretty marginal, inexpensive relief pitchers in a down season. But might've made the difference tonight if Getz acquired, I dunno, Aroldis Chapman. But he's earning $10mil and why sign a reliever to that contract when the playoffs were never in the cards? Actual good left-handed relief pitchers are rare and expensive. Or they're in arbitration.

I think it's a question of why are the Sox using the sparse lefty relievers they have left for multiple innings in blowouts. Seems like the exact situation to use Wikelman or Taylor to help the rookies build confidence and get some innings without pressure. Use the lefties situationally. Don't expect Grant to just be a stud immediately, he threw 16 innings of good ball at A level before being crowned a star. Then was really good at Birmingham before making the leap to the MLB team and being expected to close and deal with tough situations. Seems pretty bad for his development.  The box score goes down as 0 earned runs for Alexander, but that call blew the game and it was actually blown the last two games. Should've been thinking this situation might come up. Hopefully it's a learning experience for the rookie manager.

 

Good post. I only would add although I have also been trumpeting the overall BP ERA being middle of the pack among all teams a lot of that has come in blowou losses and blow out wins like the 2 blowout wins before todays game. It has also come from long relief keeping games close in the middle innings. 

However ,they become league worst in late inning high leverage save situations. We all know that takes a certain mentality and skill level thats hit and miss ,but mostly miss, in just about every Sox relief pitcher . 

But again if you are rebuilding and want the best chance at the #1 pick you dont need a good BP and if you had one they wouldve been traded by now.

All in all I'll take the number 1 pick and if some facet of the team has to suck to get us there then I'm good with it being the BP who are mostly expendable pitchers , rather than the hitting or starting pitching .  The hitting wasnt performing either until after the All Star game and the Dtarting pitcher has pitched less innings than any team in MLB putting even more stress on a bunch of nobodies in the pen and making it harder for the manager to manage them. No team or manager looks good with untalented pitchers handling high leverage innings.

[champagne030]

4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

All in all I'll take the number 1 pick and if some facet of the team has to suck to get us there then I'm good with it being the BP who are mostly expendable pitchers , rather than the hitting or starting pitching .  The hitting wasnt performing either until after the All Star game and the Dtarting pitcher has pitched less innings than any team in MLB putting even more stress on a bunch of nobodies in the pen and making it harder for the manager to manage them. No team or manager looks good with untalented pitchers handling high leverage innings.

Who's responsible for giving the manager untalented pitchers?  Who ran the minor league development program when these guys were being "developed"?  Asking for a friend.....

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

57 minutes ago, champagne030 said:

Who's responsible for giving the manager untalented pitchers?  Who ran the minor league development program when these guys were being "developed"?  Asking for a friend.....

Im sure you already have an answer for that and don't really want my opinion on it but the correct answer would be we traded most of the talented ones we had and we are in a rebuild and in that situation were still trading any talented relief pitcher we had by July 31st. 

Theres also not a lot of relief pitchers specifically drafted for that purpose. They come from starting pitchers who fail. That is still being sorted out .

Do you think its necessary to have good relief pitching while you are in the beginning stages of a rebuild ? Asking for a friend . Im sure the fans of other teams who spent a lot more money than Reinsdorf allowed Getz to spend and with multiple years of contending under there belts ask the same question about their woeful bullpens too or did until some of them traded for better pitchers at the TDL. 

Edited August 27 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[fathom]

I don’t know where else to put this, but saw that Passan mentioned it and KLaw suggested it that the Sox might look to trade one of their two young catchers.  Quero I believe is the one in question.

[Bob Sacamano]

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

I don’t know where else to put this, but saw that Passan mentioned it and KLaw suggested it that the Sox might look to trade one of their two young catchers.  Quero I believe is the one in question.

If you believe neither one can hit enough to play 1B, I guess it makes sense to deal one if you can get like an OF or something you need of equal value.

[T R U]

27 minutes ago, fathom said:

I don’t know where else to put this, but saw that Passan mentioned it and KLaw suggested it that the Sox might look to trade one of their two young catchers.  Quero I believe is the one in question.

As they should, pick your guy and give him 100% of the starters workload and upgrade your roster where its weak (outfield). 

[southsider2k5]

33 minutes ago, fathom said:

I don’t know where else to put this, but saw that Passan mentioned it and KLaw suggested it that the Sox might look to trade one of their two young catchers.  Quero I believe is the one in question.

Since they can't seem to figure out how to play them both for some weird reason.

[Dick Allen]

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

If you believe neither one can hit enough to play 1B, I guess it makes sense to deal one if you can get like an OF or something you need of equal value.

I have no problem with it, it actually makes a ton of sense. As long as they pick the best one. They know them better than me, but I have to think Teel is the guy I would keep, but Quero should be worth a lot, even more than a month of Lucas Giolito. Even RH fell into a good one once in a while.

[kitekrazy]

On 8/29/2025 at 11:26 AM, fathom said:

I don’t know where else to put this, but saw that Passan mentioned it and KLaw suggested it that the Sox might look to trade one of their two young catchers.  Quero I believe is the one in question.

The way the Sox luck runs it will turn into being weak at catcher. The one that stays either gets hurt or turns into the typical bust and the other will be another player who got better by not being a White Sox.

Imagine a tandem similar to Grandal and Collins.

 

[caulfield12]

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Edited August 31 by caulfield12

[WhiteSox2023]

Congratulations, Chris!!!

[caulfield12]

On 8/28/2025 at 4:59 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Im sure you already have an answer for that and don't really want my opinion on it but the correct answer would be we traded most of the talented ones we had and we are in a rebuild and in that situation were still trading any talented relief pitcher we had by July 31st. 

Theres also not a lot of relief pitchers specifically drafted for that purpose. They come from starting pitchers who fail. That is still being sorted out .

Do you think its necessary to have good relief pitching while you are in the beginning stages of a rebuild ? Asking for a friend . Im sure the fans of other teams who spent a lot more money than Reinsdorf allowed Getz to spend and with multiple years of contending under there belts ask the same question about their woeful bullpens too or did until some of them traded for better pitchers at the TDL. 

Except we are now in Year 2 1/2 of the Getz regime to look at the pitching situation...

What's a reasonable amount for Getz to have to spend?

We might not see that until 2028 at this rate.

Because he will always have either spending or injury excuses even for 4-5 years of lackluster results.

[Lip Man 1]

I'll be curious to read what those who have been defending him are saying when the Sox have their fourth straight season of 100+ losses in 2026, which will be Getz's third full season in charge. 

[greg775]

9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I'll be curious to read what those who have been defending him are saying when the Sox have their fourth straight season of 100+ losses in 2026, which will be Getz's third full season in charge. 

I was gonna say 58-100 is not lookin' good on the resume. Sure the Sox have more good players in the lineup now than last year but I think most of us agree 100 losses are likely again next season because of the bullpen and the fact none of the current starters can go more than 4 or 5 innings. Also as much as I like Tauchman and Beni, they combine with Robert as prolly one of the worst outfields hitting wise in baseball. Sox appeared competitive and exciting this year under Getz however the facts scream "they lost 100 games."

We should do a poll on the board "Is Getz doing a good job?" I would think 95 out of 100 votes would say "no" even tho I do declare the team seems better than a year ago.

Edited September 25 by greg775

[ptatc]

11 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I'll be curious to read what those who have been defending him are saying when the Sox have their fourth straight season of 100+ losses in 2026, which will be Getz's third full season in charge. 

Ill take that bet.

[Kyyle23]

13 hours ago, greg775 said:

I was gonna say 58-100 is not lookin' good on the resume. Sure the Sox have more good players in the lineup now than last year but I think most of us agree 100 losses are likely again next season because of the bullpen and the fact none of the current starters can go more than 4 or 5 innings. Also as much as I like Tauchman and Beni, they combine with Robert as prolly one of the worst outfields hitting wise in baseball. Sox appeared competitive and exciting this year under Getz however the facts scream "they lost 100 games."

We should do a poll on the board "Is Getz doing a good job?" I would think 95 out of 100 votes would say "no" even tho I do declare the team seems better than a year ago.

The problem is that “better than a year ago” is “better than the worst team in history” which is just the bar laying on the ground for you to trip over.  
 

there is a long long way to go for this team to get competitive.  Hell, there is a long long way to go for this team to be merely mediocre 

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

The problem is that “better than a year ago” is “better than the worst team in history” which is just the bar laying on the ground for you to trip over.  
 

there is a long long way to go for this team to get competitive.  Hell, there is a long long way to go for this team to be merely mediocre 

We need to improve as much as we did from last year to this year, AGAIN, to merely get back to mediocre.

[Tnetennba]

16 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Congratulations, Chris!!!

220+ losses before the end of his second full season. Bravo Chris, bravo. 

[Quin]

18 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

220+ losses before the end of his second full season. Bravo Chris, bravo. 

ELITE GM

[The Mighty Mite]

The thing to remember is Getz has his hands tied as he’s working for one of worst and cheapest owners in Baseball. That being said, when Ishbia takes over there is going to be a complete housecleaning with the GM and Field Manager the first to go.

[Bob Sacamano]

10 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

The thing to remember is Getz has his hands tied as he’s working for one of worst and cheapest owners in Baseball. That being said, when Ishbia takes over there is going to be a complete housecleaning with the GM and Field Manager the first to go.

So have other past GMs with the Sox and other teams GMs' as well that have had success.