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Hello everyone! I just found the board a couple of weeks ago and this is my first post. I'm from Southern Illinois and I am primarily a St. Louis Cardinals fan, but I've always liked the White Sox as well. Being from Illinois is part of that, as is my disdain for the Cubs ?. Anyway, I am honestly more excited to watch the Sox this year than the Cardinals. It's nice to see a team seeing their division weakening and then making additions to the roster to make themselves dominant. I just wanted to say hello to everyone and share my excitement to really root on the White Sox this year. As a noob I won't agree or disagree with anyone's take on these signings, but again, it's nice to see a team that appears to be trying. Hendriks seems like a good add to me!

Right team. Wrong pitcher

Actually, you are. But you didn’t answer my question.

Well, I heard about it yesterday morning! If Harold had sources why didn’t he know about it then! See how easy that was? Im sorry but they had every move this offseason way beforehand. I’m not going to doubt your sources but it could very well be that they are not as connected as you? Or maybe we’re asked not to break it?

Can we all agree that the Omar Narvaez / Alex Colome trade was a massive W for Rick Hahn?

Has anyone factored into their calculation the fact that Hendriks gives 110% out on the field, rather than merely 100? That is literally ten more, which makes a difference when extrapolated over a 162 game season.

@maloney.adam thank you for introducing us to the food guys. Some of these guys bashed you but still listen to Schins . You are the poster of the offseason!

excruciatingly pissed I had to be stuck with that hell thread for months and it happens while I'm sleeping.

I heard about the signing yesterday afternoon. If those dopes are "insiders" why did they have to wait for Passan to break the news?

Sign Bauer and keep Kelley, Madrigal, and Heuer.

Your welcome @Orlando! And thank you so much for kudos! I really do enjoy this time year and discussing the offseason with you guys.

I don't think anybody is questioning his info. He definitely has sources, and I appreciate when he shares information. I just don't understand why he was trying to discredit Beef/Portillos by saying they would have leaked the Hendriks signing sooner if they were true insiders. Those food accounts might not have had the signing yet, or they might have had it and chose not to leak it just like Harold. Either way, it doesn't mean they don't have sources. It seems pretty obvious they have connections somewhere, even if it's secondhand.

Narvaez

Me - I had to seperate this into a new thread. Didn't need 80 pages of historical garbage. Lets get the big news in its own thread.

I guess the big difference is that at no point in this contract is it actually 18M/per for for some reason some people can’t comprehend that

I don’t question his info. I just don’t think his comment made much sense. “These guys are dopes. Why did they need Passan to report it? I knew since yesterday and also did not report it.”

FWIW: Harold told me this yesterday afternoon. There’s no reason to question his info.

Please don’t trade Kelley.

I still think signing a free agent is more likely but Corbin Burnes is definitely a “target”. Probably expensive though

You can't treat last season like Andrew Vaughn did nothing. The typical movement would have seen Vaughn go from High A to AAA by the end of the year. His normal spot this year would be either breaking camp after signing an extension or coming up in a month without one. He did go to the Covid camp and did get a ton of experience against high end talent and pitching. That also can't be ignored. The Sox know better than anyone if he is ready or not. They will tip their hand over the course of the next month or so with one simple action. Do they sign a DH or not. if not, they think Vaughn is ready.

The Padres pushed Cole Wilcox to the 3rd round signed him for $3.3M and just traded him to the Rays. Teams can and will trade their players whenever they want.

It's a fucking business Jack. These guys know what they signed up for.

I wouldn't spend a dollar on a DH. Spend it on starting pitching and fill DHs ABs internally. I'm content with Leury at DH if we can get a solid vet SP. Between Eloy, Yermin, Vaughn, Collins and Abreu we can fill DH ABs.

The reason we are in the mess we are in today is because the conservative media apparatus, the President of the United States, and the majority of Republicans in the House and the Senate spent the time since November 7, 2020 amplifying conspiracy theories that the election had been stolen from Trump with no actual evidence of that fact. And when the courts overwhelmingly rejected those claims, continued to amplify and push remedies outside the framework of the Constitution to prevent Biden from being seated as President. So yes, it is more than just Trump being Trump - as Mitt Romney said on the Senate floor, if the majority of Republicans had told the American people the truth from the word go - that Donald Trump lost the election - we might not be in the mess that we are in today.

lol, was just thinking about when Ryan McGuffey tweeted that he'd rather have hendriks for 3 years 50 million than 4 years 50 million (paraphrasing) and how that, in a way, is what is happening.

We've reached the point of this discussion of comparing save stats as to who is better. At least it's not ERA comparison. But still dumb no doubt.

I cannot believe some of you are so eager to get rid of Madrigal for average mlb players.

I sure hope not. They should sign Bauer for just money (and a lost second round pick) and just win the ALC (certainly) and the AL (maybe) for the next 3 or so years.

Jimmy Cordero / Jimmy Cordero / Jimmy Cordero / Jimmy Cordero / Jimmy Cordero / Jimmy Cordero / Jimmy Cordero

They brought in lance lynn. Does that not make you happy? They have a new pitching coach using analytics and science and he is jazzed about Cease. They have Kopech finally ready. I swear sometimes this page. They just signed the best closer in the game. The bullpen is stacked. They actually spent money.

Indians would be

For some reason, I wouldn't be too busted up if Jose Ruiz is DFA'd.

If it's a package including Madrigal, Corbin Burnes is my guess. The White Sox have always loved him. I'd do Madrigal, Stiever and Heuer for Burnes in a heartbeat. I'd be interested in Musgrove as well but not for that package.

So Colome made 10.5 million last year. Hendriks is making 11 next year.

Eww. Would certainly hope for more than Musgrove for a Nicky Big Sticks package.

Trading Cease plus a bunch of other stuff is a mistake. Unless you can pull something off with Madrigal, Heuer, & Stiever, I’d rather go the free agency route or see what a guy like Musgrove costs.

I agree with that. With Hendriks and Bummer the Sox can go to Heuer and Marshall in the mid innings if needed. Hendriks basically makes each spot in the pen below him more valuable by one step, which provides greater value than just the 65-70 innings he himself will pitch. Now if they can resign Colome and do that one more time we’d really be in business but I’m probably just being greedy now.

It’s Boston. Sale is coming back.

Dodgers?

Yeah Texas was first team I thought about. Honestly next team I thought about was Cubs and Hendricks, but that would cause the worst spelling ever on this site.

If they trade Heuer now that kills part of the value of signing Hendricks. We want a stacked bullpen, no? There’s got to be another way

Nothing was happier to see Ricky getting fired then Cordero's right shoulder.

Reminds me of that time Machado would only play short.

Oh yeah - in grand scheme of things, nothing major to get upset about. Team is still better and I'm not one who worries about perception of moves or no moves. To be honest - this team didn't need to do a lot in the off-season for me to feel good about them. The only thing I wouldn't have wanted was to spend a bunch of money on some over the hill bums or to trade Kopech or any of our front line pitching prospects for a short-term rental. Those types of moves would have irritated me to no other because i think they would be too short-sited. Compound that with the recent move the Indians made and this team is more than good enough to enter the season and you can tinker from there and upgrade based upon where things look in June/July. Don't need to spend it all now - although like you said, I expect a few more moves because they need some extra depth in the rotation. Those are the types of places where things can go south fast and put you in a hole that you don't make the playoffs. The positional depth on this team (*knock on wood*) is strong where even if a few players regress, I expect others to step up, that the offense should be good regardless (and its why I was never a big fan of allocating all that money to Springer). I'm also pretty excited about the coaching staff, in particular Katz. I don't think he will be some miracle worker, but I do think this was the right time for a fresh voice and interested to see how some of the young Sox arms can take steps forward, in particular Cease, Kopech and Croquet. Less fascinated with Lopez because I don't think his stuff has looked good (and I don't think that had anything to do with Cooper) - however, the new coach might surprise us, especially if he can help Lopez find that curve again.

Ingredients for a great closer •great stuff - check •ability to go multiple innings - check •composure to close out close game - check •balls to tell your wife you ain’t going back to Canada - double check

Fuck it, Bauer is reeling, offer a 2 year deal he can't refuse. On paper, it would be best lineup, rotation, and bullpen in the game.

So we can’t bring in a career-long starter coming off an injury to relieve in a huge spot? I don’t like where they’re headed.

They just signed a reliever for the highest AAV and people still take shots.