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If Cease and Rodon pitch like this in the regular season then I will forever hate Don Cooper

Bauer's fb spin averages 2300 rpm . Cease just spun a heater at 2600 ?

Is there a sportsbook where I can bet Hahn saying: "In some ways, Eloy is our trade deadline acquisition, and a pretty significant one at that" after 7/31 cause I'd hammer that even if it was -1000

Lol I guarantee you are way softer than eloy or moncada. It’s so funny hearing these wannabe tough guys calling pro athletes soft. I almost always exclusively hear this from old fat farts.

Good thing we have experts on here to tell us what’s up.

lol you can’t be serious? First of all, I’m in my 20s. Second, no shit Eloy and Moncada are tougher than me. They’re fucking professional athletes and athletic freaks of nature. I am talking about softness in the context of professional baseball/athletes. No idea how calling Moncada soft makes me a “tough guy”. It’s clear as day to anyone who watches the Sox. Sorry I offended you, buddy.

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Guys come on, it's Ron. Lmao come on now

I'm going to take the Jack Parkman approach and assume that Eloy is actually out for three years now.

as the sacrificial lamb? I will see myself out.

Cease done for the day 5.1 6 hits 0 bb's 11 k's

IF, and this is a huge if and by no means do I believe it is the case, BUT, IF Vaughn were a decent-below average LF instead of 1B he'd be a top 5 prospect in the game right now. The bar, being Eloy, is very low. This is a low risk move with a nice potential payout.

Chisoxfn is like "this mf is French, ok"

Keep your personal fantasies out of the thread. Its a family forum. ?

7 Strikeouts through 3 for Cease. Oh. No walks too.

Moncada would make you stand and trade. It would be a Disastre Personal for you. OTOH if it was Yermin I bet you'd pull guard and give him your back.

Friendly reminder that this team lost possibly the greatest RH hitter that ever lived and replaced him with fucking Carl Everett

Would pay good money for this match

I don't believe his comparison was honest, he was pointing out that using numbers from 5 years ago isn't that smart

Sooooo we should just sign Encarncion if we are allowed to use 2016 and 2017 numbers.

No he's a ground ball pitcher ! But yea Cease seems like the one who might be the pitcher to show Vaughn the most action in LF.

It'll be hard to manufacture and especially distribute the mRNA vaccines in a lot of countries. Hopefully J&J can be more widely manufacturered since it's so much easier to distribute even to places without electricity. They have the SARS-CoV-2 sequence but not the mRNA platform being used to give you the spike protein. Anyway time to head out for my second Pfizer shot!

Better to just gratefully listen to what Hahn tells us through Sox friendly media than to dare question him...he has only once admitted being wrong, on a certain transaction with the Padres.

This team shouldn't worry about facing left handers, against which their heavily weighted RH hitting line up didn't lose a single game last season. RH pitching is an entirely different matter. With that in mind, perhaps Lamb, if healthy, should be in the lineup, on days when the Sox are facing a RH starter: VERSUS RH PITCHING AB 2B 3B HR RBI AVG OBP SLG J. LAMB 2016 & 2017 413 27 7 25 75 .271 .346 .552 404 26 4 25 86 .282 .386 .552 ELOY CAREER STATS: 501 26 2 34 91 .279 .321 .543 Projected lineup vs. RHP: Anderson Eaton Abreu Moncada Robert Lamb Grandal/Collins Vaughn Madrigal

Over/under 3.5 articles from NBC Sports Chicago praising the White Sox for "standing pat" in July despite being tied with Minnesota because Eloy is all they need

Back in three months? How about a third opinion!

If me pointing out the obvious and potentially intentional failings of the White Sox executive team prevents your from enjoying baseball, then you're the one that's crazy -- because those things aren't even remotely connected, and a "normal" person could see that. I am still going to watch the team and hope they win, and will enjoy it if they do. That fact that I root for the team doesn't change the fact that the FO assfucked the fanbase. In life (not just baseball), it's important to be able to hold two related but non-contradictory thoughts in one's head without one wiping the other from existence.

Just the fact that we're talking about crazy shit like playing Lamb at 3B and moving Moncada to LF shows how vulnerable this team is right now. We're not even considering if Collins/Vaughn don't hit (Collins is getting close to "expendable" now, regardless) and the psychological implications of running a player out there for a World Series contender who couldn't be more ill-suited for the position (who's supposed to be a generational bat)...and three other key players all likely overcompensating to cover for him, and the likelihood of another injury occurring. Scott Merkin can tout a six deep rotation (which includes Kopech somehow), but they're incredibly vulnerable if one of the top 3 pitchers goes down. While that's true for nearly any other team in baseball, the big spending teams won't hesitate to go out and make a move or take on additional payroll to fix the hole. Whereas we tend to "half ass" it to the trade deadline when oftentimes pennants can be lost in the first 1/3rd or 1/2 of a season. It's embarrassing with all the money coming in with the NBCSportsChicago (well, whatever it's now called)...at the very least, we're a Top 8-12 team in MLB local broadcasting rights (Fangraphs put us at #3 with $120 million per season or $750k per game) rights and this is the best we can. Losing Jimenez, Engel and Cordero isn't going to kill this team...but we're on a precarious slope. The irony is that the White Sox have a better chance of winning their division than the Padres do, despite SD doing everything possible to win, the Dodgers have just been THAT good. Meanwhile, the White Sox kind of meander along with their middling/mediocre approach...a middling/mediocre farm system again, and just kinda hope for the best.

This is the saddest line I've ever read from a White Sox fan. You've been stockholm syndrome'd. Is a Wild Card contender a World Series contender? Yeah, technically. Is that all you can realistically and reasonably ask of ownership? The White Sox payroll right now is about $121,000,000, which is 15th in the MLB and almost exactly league average. Exactly ten years ago, it was $127,000,000. Is that what the fans earned for dealing with four years of bottom five payrolls? To get back up to league average? While literally DOZENS of useful veterans signed one-year deals at positions where the White Sox needed depth? Is this what Hahn meant when he said "the money will be spent?" No, what you're witnessing here is utter BULLSHIT. Before the Sox embarked on this rebuild, we complained that the FO kept telling us it had a contender every year, when we could all see that it was only a contender if absolutely EVERYTHING went right. Now, on the other end of the rebuild, we are in EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION. After years of collecting money with ~$50m payrolls, the Sox have chosen to watch AFFORDABLE players they need sign elsewhere rather than finish a paper thin roster that comes in at 15th in payroll. There is no way to spin this as okay. This is an absolutely textbook bait and switch and it's EXACTLY what people are talking about when they complain about rich owners not giving a shit about their fans.

Can we stop with all the suggestions that Moncada is soft? In the last three seasons, he has basically played the same number of games as Tim Anderson (actually a few more). And he seemed to have toughed it out last year while dealing with COVID. Moncada appears to have elite level athleticism, but he couldn't even run the bases last year without being totally gassed. From me, he actually gets credit for toughing it out, even when he couldn't put up 2019-type numbers. But that's just me, and doesn't mean Lamb isn't useful depth.

You're wrong. They're a borderline playoff team without Eloy. Fangraphs has them at 84 wins and I'd say that's about right, plus or minus a a few.

It was reported they they offered Pederson. They offered him more than they offered Eaton. They offered him more than he ended up getting. Yeah, would have been nice to get him, but I think Joc had a say in it. He didn't sign the Sox offer. It isn't worth crying about. They legitimately made him a better offer than he got, what do you want them to do, hold a gun to his head and make him sign?

but was Joc Pederson too much of an ask, too? This is kind of the my point of this post, and people complaining to just complain. Is there really a difference between Joc Pederson and Adam Eaton . . . . no, not really.

Nobody wants marginal veterans, but what else can one expect looking at FA moves under Hahn? I don’t think anyone realistically expected Bauer, Springer or Ozuna...but was Joc Pederson too much of an ask, too? TLR won’t be tested until the first controversial situation with Tim Anderson, a losing streak, or something completely unpredictable as it usually the case. We can’t draw any conclusion on Collins, Merceds or Vaughn until June 1st. Same with Rodon, and likely Cease, Kopech and Crochet’s health/performance as well.

Me too. I enjoy listening to games and rooting for the players. When an expansion team wins more World Series in their first ten years of existence than your favorite team has won in a century, built by an exiled former Sox executive, it's been a rough 45 years, and a brutal past postseason century for older White Sox fans. I'm really only critical of ownership/management, nearly all players play to the best of their health and abilities. When or lose, I enjoy listening to the games (or watching at a bar or at the park) and watching the highlights. You can enjoy baseball win or lose, a game, the season, a player, the team. I can like an 70 win team as much as a 90 win team, if the players are likable as they have been under Ricky's tenure. Sure I want the Sox to win, but if they don't, that's part of life.

That narrative was already going around on White Sox twitter and it made my head feel like it was about to explode. But that quote is 100% happening, you're absolutely right.

Can we get some b team results and some updates on how some of our players are looking like Cespedas, Kelly , dlaquiest Thompson, etc. thanks

I really don’t see how Hamilton survives once Engel comes back.

I would think so. It's a very aggressive timeline having to reattach a muscle. It's always possible that there was so much edema in the area that they didn't get good imaging and now that it has gone down they got better pictures.

This goes back to the fundamental reason of why people are fans. Are you a fan of baseball, the White Sox or winning. Can you enjoy a game without your team winning?

The team is projected to be as good as some of the pre-rebuild teams that needed everything to go right to win. That's the point being made by the poster you blasted. We weren't supposed to need everything to go right to make the playoffs after 4 years of tanking. The Sox on opening day are starting a guy whose never played above A ball and has never played the OF in LF, a DH who has a career wRC+ of 63 in limited playing time, and a RF who was arguably the worst outfielder in baseball last year. In addition, their 4th and 5th rotation spots are filled by one guy who was one of the five worst pitchers in baseball last year, and another who hasn't been healthy since 2016 and hasn't been solid since 2018. Their bullpen is lights out. Their infield is very good. The Sox COULD be very good because Vaughn could be very good, and maybe Collins has figured it out, and maybe Cease won't be completely awful... but MAYBE fans are sick of having to rely on MAYBE's when they were told after the rebuild they wouldn't have to put faith in Maybes anymore?

This enjoy the ballpark/ambience thing only works for Cubs' fans pre-2016, PTAC and maybe Texsox. The rest of us are desperate for another extended playoff run. Not to mention the fans who have been around a long time remember 1994, the White Flag trade...the scars are less of a problem than confronting a similar environment with Covid-19 spending depressed, then the looming CBA showdown, then the potential losses of Giolito/Anderson. Right now, the window is only "clearly open" through these three seasons, and we're already taking a significant hit to the offense with Jimenez down. Perhaps, in the end, opening up that opportunity for Vaughn/Collins will prove to have been worth it...and Jimenez will come back with a totally different mindset about how he approaches the game, but that's not usually what has happened if you look at White Sox history.

The White Sox haven't won 90 games since 2006. You been enjoying all that great baseball? Normal people enjoy losing? Interesting stuff, I had no idea. I personally watch sports because I like when my team wins. Losing really isn't much fun.

They're probably not even a real baseball team.

Also Williams earned the spot over Hamilton. I'll just say it.

Vegas sets their number so that they win either way. Vegas's number is about making money, not about the most likely scenario.

Are you saying that ZiPS and PECOTA are really pessimistic? I think they're a pretty objective view on the most likely outcome.

Saying that I think the Sox are an 84-87 win team isn't negative. It's grounded in reality. It's where the projections have them. If I said I thought they were going to win 75 games, that's being negative. Could the Sox win more games? Sure. But I surely don't expect them to. BTW I thought they were in the 88-92 range with Eloy. There's a ton of upside in all areas but I'm not counting on that potential to be realized until it actually shows itself for a couple months. The rotation is where all of the question marks are. They're still going to be a solid offense, rather than one of the best in baseball.