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I can and have lived through decades of failure. It’s part and parcel of being a White Sox fan. What I cannot stand is those repulsive 1983 uniforms. Every single player should cut up every single version ever placed in their locker.

This is fine. Fire whoever. But firing Rick Hahn doesn't fix anything. So you let Jeremy Haber take over? Kenny is still there so it doesn't matter. Kenny has tentacles everywhere. Darryl Boston on the coaching staff, his dipshit son is 2nd in command of the minor leagues and they rehired Steverson to do some scouting. This entire organization needs an enema. Without the full house cleaning, it doesn't matter. And that's just not happening.

Ramos just destroyed a homer for a grand slam. He does bad things to baseballs.

There is no way that's what it would take It would be more like Montgomery, Colas, Sosa, Kopech and Vaughn It would also take an owner who would give out a deal like that which the Sox *checks notes* do not have

JC was fantastic today. 9 games left before the break. 6-3 gets you to .500. Need 3 of those 6 wins to be against the Twins. Not going to happen. Don't let today's result suck you back in. The Tigers are not a good team and that starter they sent out today isn't a Major Leaguer.

This OF:

Regarding his post-game press conferences: If I was in the FO, I'd be embarrassed. Here is a guy who publicly representing your organization and he can barely get his words out. And here is your post-game showing this stuff on every show. If not embarrassed, I'd be concerned. Is there something physically wrong? But the Sox just go on and on and pretend nothing is wrong. Yes, it's the fans. But this is what happens when you hire a friend.

There are no untouchables, every offer has to be taken under advisement.

At this point, there is no evidence that logically would lead you to any other conclusion. The collection of Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn and Jerry Reisndorf working together have an abysmal performance record. There isn’t really any other way to look at it

Honestly at this point, it's do something before next season is lost.

Fixed**

It’s gonna cost more than that. I’d do that deal in a fucking millisecond.

On base streak to 44. Colson walk.

5 page game thread....I think yesterday may have broken Soxtalk.

Great play by Big Energy again

I think if we had a competent GM heading into the off-season and allowed him to hire his own manager and install a different offensive philosophy we’d probably be in 1st place in the Central right now. Hahn basically lit $20M on fire when he signed Leury, Harrison, Kelly, & Velesquez this off-season. We’d be better off with four replacement players covering their roles and using that $20M on say Schwarber. And yes, I get that doesn’t address RF, but at least we would of had a competent LH power bat instead of relying on an unproven Sheets to be that guy. And with Schwarber in toe, the $15M that went towards Kimbrel’s option and eventually Pollock’s salary could have been repurposed. I won’t blame Hahn for not foreseeing a huge fall-off offensively, but our pro scouts should have known if the dude could play RF or not. And finally, any competent GM would have acquired more pitching depth than what we started the season with. It’s incredible this was our “priority area” coming out of the lockout and all we added was a lottery ticket swingman and a reliever who would miss at least four weeks and then be restricted for another eight. The benefits of a different manager are obvious, so I won’t spend too much time on that. But to be 100% candid, we are getting the worst of both worlds in Tony, who is a lifeless, uncharismatic, out-of-touch leader who also sucks at lineup construction, roster management, and in-game decision-making. Hiring him is probably the biggest embarrassment in franchise history and we literally threw away a World Series. No joke, I’d rather see Pito as a player manager than watch another game of Tony in charge. Tony is like a -6 fWAR manager this season…he’s literal proof that the theory “managers don’t matter” is untrue when they are this incompetent. Even with Hahn’s shit off-season and a plethora of injuries, we’re probably in the thick of things with any other possible manager. Finally, I still believe there is an offensive core in place that should form the bulk of a quality offense when healthy. Yes, more LH hitting is needed, but there is zero reason for the lack of HRs we’re seeing this year. Outside of 2B, we have guys with enough raw power to hit 20 HRs at every other spot and yet will be lucky to finish with two 20 HR hitters. Without question, there is something fundamentally broken with this offense and it really seems like Menechino is a big part of that. I know, I know…hitting coaches don’t matter, but I think that’s utter bullshit. We see other modern organizations change approaches, stances, swing planes, etc. and see drastically different results. When an entire offense is underperforming, it’s clear that something philosophical is at play and we know Frank preaches an approach that is contact/groundball/opposite field heavy. I have zero doubt that with a more modern hitting coach and organizational philosophy we’d have significantly more HRs and ultimately more runs.

Heads should definitely roll if this team - with a franchise record payroll and one the FO and org without a doubt thought would win the division going away - goes under .500.

Agreed. Any loss is a good loss from here to August 1.

Just keep losing so I don't have to care anymore. At least then I can hope for organizational changes.

Things look bleak for the White Sox at the moment but just when it seems like they are down for the count, they get back up and land a big blow. Will that be today, maybe, maybe not. Most of us here will still be cheering for a win. It's going to take a lot of wins to get back in the race but stranger things have happened so I'm not throwing in the towel just yet. Come on Chicago, climb out of this quicksand pit and get things rolling in the right direction.

This is Jerry Reinsdorf’s 42nd (!) year as owner of the White Sox. In his first 41 years, there’s only been ONE year when his White Sox team won a postseason series - 2005. In the 40 other years with him at the helm, there has not only been NO postseason series victories, but a mere SIX postseason appearances and a mere SIX playoff game victories. If that doesn’t scream UTTER FUTILITY, I don’t know what does. Not to mention, but the four plus decades of his *ahem* leadership has included one mind-boggingly, boneheaded, franchise-crippling decision after another. Put the current LaRussa debacle as the latest in that series. Luckily for the fan base, we are in the twilight of the current ownership, and if you look hard enough at the horizon, you can see new ownership that will likely come in, clean house, and hopefully change this culture of losing we have suffered under with Reinsdorf for way too long.

Javier Baez started in the ASG, but Abreu and Daniel Vogelbach were the two 1B reserves behind Carlos Santana in the 2019 ASG. Jose did start in 2018. Twenty Five White Sox ASG Starters (Year(s) Started - (2) Indicates player started in both ASGs played that year, when applicable. ) C : Fisk (1985, 1982, 1981) 1B: Abreu (2018); Thomas (1995, 1994); Allen (1974, 1972); Robinson (1952) 2B: Fox (1963, 1959 (2), 1958, 1957, 1956, 1955, 1951); Michaels (1949) 3B: Dykes (1933) SS: Anderson (2022); Aparicio (1970, 1962 (2), 1961, 1959 (2), 1958); Carrasquel (1954, 1953, 1951); Appling (1940, 1936) CF: Tucker (1944); Simmons (1935, 1934, 1933) LF: Zisk (1977); Minoso (1960 (2), 1959, 1954); Kreevich (1938); Radcliff (1936) DH: Baines (1989) SP: Sale (2016); Buehrle (2005); Loaiza (2003), Wynn (1959), Pierce (1956, 1955, 1953) I learned five new White Sox today (Eddie Robinson, Cass Michaels, Mike Kreevich, Rip Radcliff & Thurman Tucker during WWII - Served in 1945)! Hope you learned a few new ones as well.

GMs don't make those foolish deals anymore. Teams (well beyond the Sox) value cost controlled younger players, not veterans at the deadline for top prospects, unless you are talking a Top 20-30 player in baseball, which the White Sox do not have. Most teams are just looking to dump two months salary at this point. Sox needed to make good on their draft picks and player development to have a sustained contention window. Instead, they dump their top picks and sign guys on their last legs that Tony remembers. You need a new front office, period, before any wholesale changes are made to this team. Quite frankly, Hahn should have been canned with Ventura after 2016.

We gotta stop these threads. It isn't happening. I just don't see many scenarios where Rick Hahn is selling off major pieces at the deadline.

Hahn better not be allowed to touch any sort of sale and or retooling / rebuild. He is terrible at his job. The entire FO can follow him to go infest other teams front offices around the league. Start with getting rid of that idiot. But until that happens, this team better remain intact. Get rid of him now and bring in someone to figure this out before the trade deadline.

Fire Tony!

You listen on everyone and see who blows you away. Though the best thing you can do to increase play values is to Fire Tony.

The fans feel like most of us here, this isn't a likeable team that doesn't hustle much, makes a lot of errors, doesn't work the count with too many Ks and too few walks, make stupid mistakes on the base paths and on top of it all has a manager who is brain dead. White Sox fans are so much smarter than the Cub fans and will not throw hard earned money at a team that most of the time looks like it doesn't care and is just going through the motions.

I'm just gonna keep repeating a number of things: I've become convinced that Tony is only a Hall of Famer because of steroids and STL having Pujols/Molina I finally understand why Rick Ankiel's career went sideways.

17 years is a long time, and the Sox have won a grand total of three post season games since then. And, of course, they lost every post season series since then. 2025 is just around the corner, and it will be 20 years since this team has appeared in a World Series. And JR and the same front office will still be running the team and they still will be making the same mistakes. But he'll tell you he really wants to win.

Anderson, Moncada, and Eloy for starters Anderson, Moncada, and Eloy for starters... And anyone else that can bring back real talent in return. But I'd hate to see this current GM and Scouting staff being the ones doing it.

Everyone is available for the right price.

That's the most spot on post EVER

Yep. He’s got no marbles

You know for a post like this, you should probably know who is doing what in this organization now.

I could appreciate a low ceiling team that still plays inspired and smart fundamental ball. This team is just an insult to me as a fan.

I think teams are smart enough to look past ugly ERA's for Lucas & Lynn. The Sox will be able to still get good value for those 2 if they're made available, but my preference with Lucas is still very much to extend him. Lynn, Hendriks, Graveman, & Jose (depending on if he wants to go or not) are the most obvious trade candidates. Maybe they'd be able to get a Pilkington equivalent prospect back for Harrison. A contender might want Cueto for the backend of their rotation, etc.

Tonight's loss is on Tim and Luis as much as anybody.

I hope they trade Abreu to whoever wins the world series this year

Anderson Severino has his ERA down to 12.51! Great use a 40-man spot, after all.

Norge Vera with 7 K thru 2.2 IP

I didn't say he wasn't a sentimental old guy who doesn't know how to talk to people. And I don't ignore the bullshit and there was plenty of that. But neither can you dismiss the facts which don't support your fixed idea.

This contradicts the Jerry I saw bawling at LaSalle and Wacker when Konerko handed him the WS game winning ball in 2005. Short memory?

Thats what really pisses me off. Every one of his "I'm smarter than you" don't make the obvious move moves, blow up in his face. At some point, it's time for the higher ups to call a clown is a clown. It's not only the fans that deserve better, it's the players as well.

Hitting third and DHing against AZ. Started 4/9, 0 for his last 4 with a walk. .308 BA.

And because of how things work, there will be randomly some games or weeks where it is bloody obvious how bad he is because several balls are hit to the right spots, and then a few weeks where it seems like he’s doing fine because a couple of those balls wound up closer to him, so people forget.

Vaughn appears to be passable in the OF because he catches everything he gets to, but he's so damn slow that he doesn't get to much. A lot of stuff just falls out of his reach that a faster guy like Eloy, even though he looks really bad out there, could get.

I hope he gets his wish; and the Sox should do all that they can to bring it about.