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Never started a game thread before. Not sure if I have the liberty to start one but here you go..... Maybe I will bring some luck

Tim should been placed on the IL on Monday, this latest scheme to play him at 2B is ludicrous. He can barely field SS at this stage after playing there his entire career. It's not like they need his bat. Play Remillard, he is better at every aspect of baseball than this injured version of Tim.

Yes, I would like this team to win a championship. There is not a chance they will be able to do that while Reinsdorf is still owner, because you would have to luck into the perfect storm of player development, trades, FA signings, and timing that represents a 1 in 100,000,000,000,000 chance that occupies the calendar year of our Jerry 2005.

Tim's shoulder is really bothering him. He can't pull anything through the left side of the infield and has power. Yes, TA should be on the IL and Remillard should be playing. Remillard helped get the win today. He can do it again.

Might seem obvious but Grifol should get some credit for PH Sheets, Remi pinch run, Remi SB all right before the Andrus GW RBI

Grifol managed well. Remillard helps win again

Interesting how there's no longer a bunch of chatter about how he's a fat lazy slob who kicks puppies for entertainment and probably doesn't even like baseball.

I would agree with this. If there’s one thing we’ve consistently said about this franchise, it is no longer running very well. You have strikes outdoors by the food workers, massive turnover in the ticket sales staff, the marketing staff can’t even figure out that having Clevinger come out to the song “gold digger” is a bad idea, they signed Clevinger with an insufficient background check, they had a completely unnecessary contract fight with their main play by play broadcaster and are set up to run him out of town, they tried to cover up a coach’s DUI, there’s plenty more. None of these affect the team on the field directly but they have all fed into the dissatisfaction, and anger coming at the franchise.

I am afraid that a fire sale will be coming, with the main purpose being a salary dump and we will be left with an even worse team. Hahn will not cut favorable deals and will end up with even more relievers. IMO.

Accountability isn’t a problem with the White Sox.

How the fcuk does this guy still have a job? Bump.

Win is a win they aint all pretty. I don't care if an infield popup gets caught in a sudden whirl wind for a HR if it means winning. The pitching staff for the most part has been pretty darn good for almost 2 months.

Graveman gets out of it. Gatorade is for closers

Zach and Kelly, a winning combo.

Most walks off wins in MLB

Zach in.....Sox Win

Checking in to say Sox would have been better off if Timmy didn’t play a game all season. Unbelievably bad

For the love of god, get Tim out of the game

Enough of Frazier all ready, bring Colas back up.

Most CEOs of, say hospitals, didn’t work as nurses. Most oil company CEOs didn’t spend time as a roughneck. Hahn is bad at his job because he is a bad manager. If he were managing a Starbucks, it would be a disaster. We all know that Hahn doesn’t know his core business: he can’t evaluate on-field talent, and he doesn’t know analytics. That’s not unusual. What’s unusual is that he has refused to hire the best people he can find who do know those things. Instead, he hires people who, if not his immediate friends, have similar backgrounds. Look at Haber, his chief assistant: top schools, sharp dresser and same skillset (or lack thereof). Where's the analytics department? Hiring people who won’t show them up is a common trait of bad managers and Hahn scored big in that department. Billy Beane and Andrew Friedman weren’t afraid to hire Farhan Zaidi, e.g. Hahn hires Haber. Look who Hahn’s hired as field manager (when he’s been allowed to): not the sharpest knives in the drawer. And, of course, he’s an excuse machine, another trait of bad managers. I could go and on. He just needs to go.

My tinfoil theory is TA stopped hitting Homer's because he didnt want anymore spaghetti from his wife.

Was watching Cubs-Cardinals game from London. Nick Madrigal went 2-4 with one RBI. He is hitting .260 with only 14 strikeouts in 127 AB. Announcers were reminding me that Nick is a very good contact hitter, which we desperately need with all our free swingers. He would have been more useful than Kimbrel-Pollock. Another bad RH move , probably due to his bromances with relief pitchers.

Nothing funnier than a hype video for a starting pitcher with an ERA of 6

first in ground balls

I don’t think he said zero chance. Of course mathematically, by dumb luck you would have expected the White Sox to have appeared in three World Series in the 42 years Reinsdorf has owned the team. So his failure to do this May in fact imply a zero percent chance of winning from here on out. KC has been in three and won two. Cleveland has been in three. Minnesota has been in two and won two. Detroit has been in three and won once. From the old AL West Oakland has been in three and won one. Texas has been in two. The Angels have only appeared in and won one like the Sox. Only Seattle from that division has not been in the World Series. So given Reinsdorf’s epic level of fail, I probably would agree there is zero chance as long as he remains owner, even though the OP did give them a non-zero chance.

We’ll never know how accurate it was, but there were multiple people that heard Joe Espada turned the White Sox down last offseason after coming into interview. He was alarmed how dated the baseball infrastructure was in the organization. And based on what we’ve seen…you’d have a hard time convincing anyone that report is that far fetched.

Controlled through 27.

The Trout - Ohtani conundrum. makes no sense to keep productive players if the supporting cast is shite. might as well try to sell ‘em off and use the returns to build an actual core.

Don’t forget running Giolito out of town for no other reason than being the union rep. But at least Hahn et al didn’t lose the Brian Ball discrimination case…so yay for that? Cancelling Sox Fest, raising parking and ticket prices in some areas of the park coming off last year’s extremely disappointing season…getting James Fegan fired because the fanbase has started to completely tune out of anything to do with the team.

OK, so Rick Hahn sucks at business tasks, management tasks and scouting. Got it.

In-between his dugout naps and shitting his pants? No, this team would be the same if not worse with him.

I think it's Tim. Look at how the clubhouse reacted to his All-Star game selection compared to other teams. There's an issue there that I'm sure will come to light once he is no longer a Sox.

Not that spring training is anything - but his swing is beautiful. I think he will be a bonafide star.

I'm a pretty hardcore Sox fan and I have stopped watching the games. I might check in on a game once and awhile but other than that I am just fed up with the entire organization. I am totally resigned to the fact that until there is new ownership and a new GM this will just continue to be a total clown show not worthy of my attention.

I was against all of it. But Hahn was a hero on this board and in Chicago. People were ecstatic about the tank job/rebuild. They loved seeing the losses pile up and the roster change. The sentiment was almost like this tank job was the only way to go and the Sox were gonna reap the benefits of the tank, getting better draft choices and those few blockbuster deals: Cease, Eloy superstars. Kopech, Gio and even Lopez lol. Hahn was beloved during the tank job; go back and look at the posts. Fraud.

Scoring one run in your home park built for offense. Zowie.

Go enjoy your summer guys. Life is too short (if you're over 30) to worry about a team this s%*# and with bad ownership. I'm just keeping it real. I'm ashamed I even bothered to post this after checking the box.

This team is nothing more than an investment to JR. An MLB team goes up in value no matter what it does on the field and he knows that as well as anyone. He won his WS. He has no desire to sink any more money in to this thing. As fans of this team we are screwed until a new owner takes over who hopefully wants to win more than anything.

Do you trust the money saved "will be spent"? I'm thinking Jerry just pockets it like the $100M + from MLB. The one advantage is a new owner and their competent FO would have a clean slate in terms of committed payroll. If you are dumping the longer term contracts, shedding Benintendi and Moncada would be my two priorities, Eloy secondary as someone will take him with the DH in both leagues, really should try to trade him if he is still healthy 3-4 weeks from now. Teams will give something up for Tim for his option and potential away from this organization. I believe both Moncada and Tim will have solid seasons next year if healthy playing for their likely final payday.

There are a lot of teams in contention for playoff spots this year. There will be a huge demand for any kind of quality pitching. Giolito, Graveman, Lynn, Kelly could all bring a nice return. The big problem however is that RH would be negotiating the trades. You have to fire him within the next couple weeks and bring in Theo Epstein as the GM.

No idea how anyone can still look at this roster, and find anything redeeming at all....or anything that would make them think "Hey, we can still win games". No....no they can't. You can't magically become a winning team, with this lineup. Not with 1 guy over 800 OPS, no real game plan formulated for every pitcher you're facing, etc. This thing has gone rotten, from the top down, and 'having faith things will change' ain't the way to right this ship.

where both Hahn and the entire White Sox organization failed was at the different mlb drafts. we tanked for all of those years yet basically nothing came out of their low picks. Fulmer, Collins, Madrigal, Vaughn (yes, Vaughn is fair at best) have all failed. you cannot miss on all of those first round picks and expect to win, yet the white Sox did. Add in the fact that they are incapable of developing any talent and you have an organization that is an absolute disaster!!!!

I think it will go down to the $100M-$120M range over the next few years, unless they admit to partaking in Tanking 2.0. They were $71M-$98M during Tanking 1.0, and while "trying" under Hahn, setting aside the Tony La Russa payroll bump, they have settled in the $110M-$120M range last decade. https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/chicago-white-sox/ Current future commitments in 2025 and beyond: Buyout or Contract club option Minimum 4 Seasons at $77.5M Maximum 9 Seasons $176M (Includes Hendriks buyout if cut before 2024) Benintendi 2025 & 2026 $16.5M, 2027 $14.5M Hendriks 2025-2033 $13.5M - If Jerry lets Liam walk to avoid paying $15M upfront in 2024. JImenez 2025-2026 $3M X 2 (Club Options $16.5M 2025 & $18.5M 2026) Moncada 2025 $5M / $25M Robert Junior 2025 $15M 2026-2027 $2M X 2 (Club Options $20M 2026 & $20M 2027) 2025 Final Arbitration Year: Cease; Frazier; Kopech 2026 Final Arbitration Year: Crochet; Foster; Toussaint; Vaughn 2027 Final Arbitration Year: Lambert; Sheets; Zavala

Eloy has much better approaches than most of the team.

Once they cut bait in a month it'll be closer to 95 losses which is fine with me, maybe that will force JR's hand.

Very nice line for Matthew Thompson tonight: 7IP, 5H, 0BB, 8K, 1ER on a solo shot.

I agree but it's going to annoy me for awhile that Jerry didn't pay up to keep him here long term

Burke continues his 33 game on base streak with a homer, surpassing the team record set by Montgomery last year.

5. He grew up a Cubs fan.

That 2005 roster found its core in the 2000s ish top system. You had key cheap pitchers (buehrle, Garland), you had key cheap position players (Rowand, Crede). A top system doesn't mean everyone succeeds, it means you have some guys who are successful and some who aren't, but you have plenty of tools to work with. Some can be used in trades (i.e. picking up Garcia, Thome). Some are decent and that makes them useful because they're cheap, you free up money to be used elsewhere. Some will bust, but overall - the strength of that system translated to the strength of the organization for the next decade.