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I'm sorry, I know it seems melodramatic, but I sincerely hope they trade no one, honestly not even expiring contracts. I really think the only chance in hell there's ever a wholesale change in leadership is if the franchise totally craters. At this point, I'm willing to sign up for it, no matter how long it takes and no matter how deep the hole -- because the alternative is an eternity of knowing damn well the team isn't good enough and will only ever win again if every hand turns up aces like in 2005. And I'm being honest here, not vindictive or edgy: I've lost interest in this team. I'm not even watching the games anymore. It isn't to "penalize" the team or "send a message," it's just purely from totally losing hope and interest, and preferring to do other things. I click on SoxTalk almost every day, by rote, out of habit, and 90% of the time I bounce without viewing a single thread. Like I almost can't believe it as I type it, but I'm not sure I would even give a s%*# if they ripped off a 20-game winstreak and suddenly looked like a lock for the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong, but right now I just can't imagine it. It's like my subconscious has moved on. I'm just done with them. For literally the first time I can remember, the White Sox have ceased to be a part of my summer. I'm now wondering if it's possible that this fucking clownshow of an organization has somehow snuffed out this candle for me. And if so, what an achievement that would be -- I've been a fanatic most of my life, and I understand the swells and troughs of a competitive window. I'm patient and entertained by the process itself. It's just -- after this many consecutive years of being, overwhelmingly, a source of frustration for me, my brain feels like it's finally becoming trained to search elsewhere for meaning. This is truly EXCEPTIONAL incompetence, well beyond what can be expected even through luck. For a long time, we could root for signs that they were going to learn, change. adapt, improve, etc. We know now, after seeing them finally get the chance to do it totally right, with all the time and support they need, that, beyond the shadow of the doubt, they cannot. This is who they are. This is what they think works. They gotta go. Doesn't matter what it takes.

I will pay some attention only to root for gio's trade value. It's all We have anymore.

Blowing it up will just confirm that Hahn’s rebuild was a complete failure. Firing Pedro Grifol will also confirm that Hahn’s hire was a complete failure. We all know Rick and Kenny care more about “proving fans wrong” than actually doing the most logical and decent thing. Because of this, they prolong misery and consequently let players of value actually lose value in the process. Outside of firing Rick Hahn, which should have already happened, (but we all know it won’t ever happen while Jerry is alive), I’m pretty sure we can all expect a half ass “retool” I fully expect no more than the rentals to be traded: Giolito, Grandal, Lynn, Gravemen and Kelly, I don’t think Hahn should be allowed to consider trading guys like Vaughn, Cease, Robert or Kopech. And I’m not even sure what kind of value TA has at this point. It’s safe to say that he’s not the SS of the future and that he doesn’t want to be here anymore. I would love for them to get some sort of value back, but TA has been absolute trash this season. But even if his value was good, Hahn isn’t creative enough to get a quality prospect back for him. My hope is Hahn gets fired before the deadline. Hell, giving KW another crack at it or giving the GM role to Getz might actually captivate my interest for the time being. But letting Hahn engineer any more roster destruction and construction just seems borderline insane at this point. It would be nice if JR woke up from his nap and finally pulled the trigger on a GM switch prior to the trade deadline.

Anybody else think of Birria tacos everytime they see Barria's name? Maybe the Sox will win and get back to 5 GB. Most likely, Barria will make minced meat tacos of the Sox lineup.

The pitch count is one of the worst things that has happened to the game, these guys are pampered way too much and they still come down with arm injuries. My theory is that bad mechanics lead to arm injuries, not too many pitches, still pisses me off that a couple weeks ago Gio was pulled after 6 innings with a no hitter, Nolan Ryan who computer studies said had perfect mechanics was probably shaking his head.

At least Illitch died blowing all his money on the Tigers World Series attempts, and not half in half out bullshit.

Hey, just because you finished in 4th place doesn't mean you had a bad season.

Those are his splits in Chicago. Last 20 games in Charlotte his OPS is .888.

It feels great knowing this team is so non competitive in a terrible division. Hahn should be fired twice for this.

Between 1963 and 1967 the Sox led the league in ERA in four of the five seasons barely missing out in the one year they didn't. Those teams didn't have a lot of power but they could pitch, caught the ball and knew fundamentals like the backs of their hands. That's how they won 94,98,95,83 and 89 games. Sure wish we had that type of play today.

Pretty good except giving the GM job to Getz, I still haven’t figured out why he’s the Minor League director, what were his qualifications, oh yeah, he played for the Sox.

I mostly have the games on for background noise. I've been a diehard since 2000 and I never thought I'd be so apathetic about the Sox and baseball in general. It kinda started for me in 2021 when I realized they weren't good enough to do anything but appear in the playoffs and it's been just downhill from there. I'm losing interest in baseball because of it. I just loved the Sox.

And somehow only six games out. The 5th place team in the AL East would be the top team in the AL Central. Rick Hahn literally is up against the poorest and most incompetent organizations and can’t build a division winner. Imagine having $180M to spend and only being able to finish 4th in this s%*#-show. I’m praying that this level of embarrassment will finally result in the end of Rick’s reign of terror.

Just FYI. The White Sox have now played 81 games...half the season. They have scored three runs or less in 43 of the 81 games...53% They have scored three runs or less in seven of their last 11 games. Total embarrassment and Grifol continues to make decisions that leave you scratching your head. This guy is completely outmatched on the field (maybe we should ask Jerry about it! LOL)

Chuck...."they showed some fight in the end" Ozzie...."right, like Ricky's boys never quit....yeah because they're always coming from behind"

Another bad game, but I won't lie...it was nice seeing him smiling in the dugout early in the game. At least play the game with some joy.

I don't like the team or the player, but German is 3 outs away vs. Oakland.

People think Seby catches Gio to improve the pitching performance, but in reality he catches Gio to improve his own performance ? His 2 HR game in NY was with Gio on the bump, too. He just likes showing support for his best friend.

If I learned just one thing from Jose Abreu's time here, it is that RBIs are overrated. I always thought it was important to drive runners in but I guess not.

Cease and Kopech have to be fuming

Zavala ties Grandal with HR #5.

Eloy looks locked in right now tbh

He’s been exactly what the team needs. He’s a plus defender, gets on base and controls the strike zone. Unfortunately the roster is filled with guys who should be in the minors or out of pro ball.

Tatum with a single and a steal of 2B in his first Barons AB, naturally.

Trust me Hahn will get fired twice. Once by the Sox and the second time he won't even get a sniff for a GM job from any team, especially even a losing team like the A's or Royals. Teams will fire him from even applying for a GM job. Who in the hell would want Hahn for a GM, knowing he sucks at: - Building a strong farm system. - Making good wining trades. - Making successful free agent signings. - Building a consistent wining major league roster that makes the playoffs often. As much as our delusional owner thinks he is so much smarter than so many other owners, I'm pretty sure there isn't one owner as dumb as Jerry to hire Rick Hahn.

Of course the Central division is a joke. The Twins were playing the Braves who have the best W-L % record in baseball at 53-27 .663 Braves in MLB rankings: BA #2 - .271 OBP #2 - .341 SLG #1 - .488 OPS #1 - .829 HR's #1 - 146 Runs #3 - 438 - 5.54 per game ERA - #T6 - 3.79 This is why it's so foolish to have the Sox avoid be sellers at the trade deadline and hope the Sox can win the Central. They will get killed in the playoffs when they play real baseball teams. This is like in college basketball when a small major conference team goes 27-3 in a weak BB conference. Then they get into the NCAA tourney and get demolished in the first round against the big time college programs. This is what will happen to the Sox, Guardians or the Twins in the 2023 playoffs.

He went to Michigan just like Hahn.

So the plan to get within 2 or 3 games this week isn't working out because the White Sox keep losing, who would've guessed that lol!

Twins lose again, 40-42, what a joke and an embarrassment of a division.

I am as down as the next guy on this club and I 100% believe the right move is to sell all expiring assets (and Graveman and Kelly). However, winning the AL Central is definitely not "over". Win the next 2, they're 4.5 GB with like 80 to play. Even if they lose the next two, 6.5 GB with 80 some to play. Still not "over". The Twins are awful. Cleveland is awful. The Sox could catch those teams. Will they? Unlikely, and even if they do, does a 80 win division title and a first round exit do anything to actually move this org in the right direction? Nah, I don't think so. So I guess it depends on one's definition of over. The door remains open, but only because the other teams in this division are close to, if not equally as inept as this Sox club. It also remains at least worth noting that the August and September schedule are so soft that even if the Sox do move Giolito and pen pieces, losing 95+ is pretty unlikely.

Some other big differences. 1) Lost niche of staying healthy when Herm Schneider departed. 2) Cuban Connection almost completely dried up 3) DR and Venezuela and Asia/Pacific Rim dry markets for the Sox going on two decades now…you can sustain yourself as a small market team like the Guardians, Rays, Pirates and Reds unearthing superstars there

Dave Yoakum was a fantastic scout who was "retired" and unfortunately recently passed away. Doug Laumann and Richard Dotson were a couple more excellent longtime scouts who were "retired" so Hahn could increase his analytics dept. The organization is in such an unbelievable mess it's almost hard to believe they let it get so bad.

I hate to give up at this point, the pitching has been damn good since the beginning of May, I want to think that the hitting will pick and maybe we can win this horrible division. That being said I’m probably too optimistic and do realize that we have a horrible franchise with JR at the helm, Hahn as GM along with a pitiful farm system and that it’s probably going to take a miracle to fix this mess.

If we had the scouting and development of Tampa Bay with the resources to have a $180 million payroll we would win this division every single year.

Blow it all up is only an emotional response. Doing so just means decades of Royals and A's bad. I have no trust in scouting and developing. They don't hold any coaching accountable. Former player syndrome which fans are addicted to doesn't work. Their managerial hires are like dumpster dives or the guy they always wanted that's well past their prime. I doubt Grifol was really Hahn's choice. But it is the habit of getting people from habitually losing organizations. I think it was more of a budget choice. I don't think I can be a fan of this team much longer. Blow it all up will solve that.

We're bad. We'll get worse next year. The only thing holding us together is starting pitching. Gio and Lynn are gone in less than 3 weeks. 100 losses are more likely than not. 100 losses next year is a real possibility. To brighten the mood, all future posts from Zisk will be humor based. Talking about reality kinda blows.

Players I've seen enough of: - Tim Anderson - Elvis Andrus - Seby Zavala - Clint Frazier - Gavin Sheets (over used, not necessarily his fault) Just bring up Colas and let him play RF. Give Remillard every chance at 2B. I heard Carlos Perez was up with the team; let him take Zavala's role. I think we're stuck with either TA or Andrus at SS, unfortunately.

I wish I had that many excuses for not being good at my job

"Kopech struggles with command in loss." What?! Wow there's a shock! Not sure which one is crazier, the loss or that Kopech still can't throw strikes!

Its almost as if he is trying to p*ss off the fans so that he then has an excuse to move the franchise due to lack of attendance.

I am embarrassed to be a fan of such a dumb organization

Ozzie had many years with much better players than Ricky, not sure why Ozzie thinks he is funny dunking on Ricky, but then again this guy praised Castro and had one good year in a decade here, and was among the five worst hitters in MLB history with the number at bats he had. As bad as the players have been this decade, I'm also looking forward to dinosaurs like Ozzie and Boyer and Hahn and Boston and Stone to finally be washed away with new ownership.

A lot of fans are feeling the exact same way, I'm basically just watching occasionally and checking box scores. I've been a die-hard fan for 63 seasons now and i never thought I'd get apathetic about the franchise but that is now coming to pass. White Sox fans are now in hell because of Jerry Reinsdorf.

Kopech seven walks, another garbage effort by the offense adds up to another Sox loss. Now 13 under. Complete embarrassment.

Actually I would argue we are in the golden age of White Sox baseball. We have only made the playoffs 11 times, and 6 of those times were in the last 30 seasons!

We all fell in love with a franchise that makes the playoffs once a decade and wins a WS once a century . . . why do we want that to change? Keep everyone.

Not sure I've seen a team so bad with bases loaded and no outs

You and I have talked about this before. Burger is 27, he’s not young; he’s in his prime years. He’s inexperienced so he has room to get better, but it isn’t long before he’s actually old. He has two severe injuries on his record. Finally, he’s a big body who already doesn’t move well, and those guys have a history of not aging well. If the White Sox aren’t competitive the next 2 years, are we confident he’s going to still be useful when he’s 30? Maybe, but the two years he gives to us could definitely be more useful for someone who needs a DH right now. And if he does have more injury problems, at least we cashed him in for something that could be useful in a couple years. Furthermore, Moncada is basically untradeable with that contract, so if he can walk next April he’s going to start at 3b to see if he can build any value. Burger is a guy whose profile says he cannot help the White Sox right now, that means if you can get anything for him you must do so.