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Colás has been bad, make no mistake. But the Sox handling of him since Spring Training has been completely fucked. Holding him accountable to standards they don’t hold others to, namely the washed up vets, or the highly paid poor performers, is infuriating. There is more going on behind the scenes than we know, but looking at the dopes in charge of his development, is there any wonder why he has massively underperformed for someone rushed to the bigs and totally yanked around all year?

Would rather they send Getz and Pedro back to Kansas City, where they belong.

Pedro has no problem being a tough guy to rookies. Why can’t he tell TA he’s batting 8th because he sucks?

Pedro is so fucking Charmin soft with vets, but with rookies he leaps at the chance to be a hard ass.

Colas has been a disaster in all phases, so I don't have a problem with them sending him out, but if not him, who is going to play right for them next year? But at this point, I despise Grifol. He's not good with the veterans he inherited and he is not good with the young guys. Exactly who is he good at leading?

18 innings of September baseball between two sub .400 teams. The promotion has to be "S & M Night", doesn't it? Report to the shower on the LF concourse and get chained and whipped.

Another reminder of how far off this team is from being competitive.

Also everyone remember, Chris is teaching guys baseball.

I guess we are still looking for someone to play RF.

Also, he really sucks. One of the worst players in baseball this year.

More Trayce Thompson and Gavin Sheets in the outfield, just what everyone wants to see...

I think they are sending a clear message that we will hold you accountable. We said that we want you to work on certain things and not continue to do x, y, and z and that is clearly not happening so they are sending a message. I can actually applaud it - its just hard because for year(s) they have not done this and they are clearly NOT consistent in how they have handled it. Probably goes into a lot of why they have failed across the board at everything - they don't set the right standard and don't hold people accountable to that standard. It seems to be ripe at all levels, whether its players off-season workout routines, or putting in the right work on the little things and building the right habits that compound into winning ways.

Burnt Ends all the way, on that choice. What a terrible series of baseball ahead!

The one I still remember was with Semien - he was treated as a utility guy early, but he was playing SS more than any other position on the way up through the minors. When he got sent to the As, he was terrible defensively at first, but when they had Washington start working with him there was an article in the local Oakland papers about how Semien had never done the basic fielding drills that everyone is supposed to do at SS. This wasn't them taking a shot at the White Sox, this was a positive article about how they expected him to get better once he got to do the basic work, and turns out the article was correct. But, from a White Sox perspective, this was an indictment I never forgot. How on earth does a guy come up through your system, get labeled as a utility guy, but also spend most of his time at SS, and yet not go through basic SS fielding and positioning drills? Where did they expect him to get to practice these things, did they expect him to Google all of them and do them on his own? They had him for years and this was the case. I don't find it that surprising that so many guys come up with the White Sox and struggle, and I don't think it's scouting as much as it is a complete lack of practice and no interest in practicing. Guys in the minor leagues are supposed to teach themselves, that's the way it's' done here.

The whole thing is so strange, as it’s Getz and his coaches that must have not prepared Oscar correctly.

I thought he was already in AAA

Problem is they seem to only hold rookies or younger guys accountable.

Man, I'd be surprised by this. Guy has 2 more seasons of options. Trading him after a terrible rookie campaign would be silly, especially for a team that badly needs a LHH RF. The mistake was just writing his name into the 2023 lineup in sharpie coming out of ST and not making him earn it in AAA first.

Wouldn’t be shocked at all if this is the last time we see him in the big leagues with the Sox

I think if Colas' only issue, was his slow success at the plate, he wouldn't be sent down. The problem is, he's had these lapses of judgement in the field and just overall, that have to be corrected.....ESPECIALLY if your GM talks about exactly that, being an issue. BUT, as SCCWS said, the AAA season is basically over, so the timing is stupid. Reeks of "We're going to back up what Getz says, even if it makes no sense!"

The defensive abilities of sox players have been so bad for almost 15 years now. We have several examples now, with Semien and Narvaez, of players that were more naturally capable of better defense that this org couldn't tap into. We also have players like Castillo, who had a plus defensive skill that regressed on the sox. And we hired the player development guy and he thinks it's a player problem not a coaching one. I'm skeptical!

Eh, Burger had trade value. If he had a bad second half with the White Sox or had an injury, that could have gone to zero really fast. From my perspective where the next 3 years are basically written off already, I get the concept of moving him and holding Vaughn. Whether they did their usual quality on the return, I don’t know yet. But, I still won’t get bent out of shape about Burger being a difference maker for this flopped franchise, because he wasn’t when he was here.

Since he was traded, third baseman Jake Burger was batting .305/.359/.516 with six homers and an .875 OPS in 34 games for the Marlins through Saturday. Between the Sox and Marlins, the former Sox first-round draft pick has 31 homers, 25 doubles, 69 RBI and an .827 OPS. Left-hander Jake Eder, the Double-A pitcher the Sox got in return, is 0-3 with an 11.42 ERA in five starts at Birmingham.

Our guy who was hired because he was supposed to know the team, is talking to reporters in Detroit trying to figure things out. Meanwhile, other teams’ execs are scouting in Japan. this has been a Mickey Mouse operation. Nothing changes with Getz.

I wish all of the “struggling” Prospects posted a .400 OBP and 122 wRC+ in the Southern League

That’s what’s so damn infuriating about it. Where’s this level of accountability for the rest of this train wreck? Why are only the rookies singled out / scapegoated?

How do you know Getz wasn't saying Colas wasn't ready but Hahn pushed him to the big leagues anyways because he didn't have any other options for RF.

I mean, the realistic answer is "I don't care who plays RF for them next year they're in a 3 year rebuilding process again so it doesn't matter", you could play Colas there and hope for the best or you could find someone off the scrap heap as a platoon player and hope that they become useful enough to move at the deadline, and either one works equally well if you've admitted you're playing for 2027 already. But the problem continues to be all the times they refuse to admit that. You have an owner who insists he owes it to White Sox fans to not conduct a GM search because it's important to "Win Soon". You have the constant rumors about acquiring a catcher who turns 34 next May.

No.

We must also remember Getz is the only person since Branch Rickey who has done it the right way, the Jerry Reinsdorf preferred way.

The players aren't dumb. They all know that they work for arguably the worst franchise in baseball. That cannot be good for players in the position of Colas. Colas' people are no doubt telling him that idiots are handling him and that the faster he gets out of Chicago the better. I'd assume most of the players in the org feel that way.

Cowards

Stupid. Let the kid play through his struggles. I get there is more here than just bad performance, but he's not going to learn in AAA. Weird to make an example of him when he is one of the few guys on this roster than will be here long term.

Hmmm, and who was responsible for player development?

Close, Tim Anderson is technically the WORST on this team by bWAR

He keeps leaving the toilet seat up. Chris noticed right away.

The Italian Beef/Sausage combo are the hosts for the series btw. The Burnt Ends are the visitors.

This is crazy talk; Chris Getz is set for life in the baseball world and he owes it to Jerry. What a break. Jim Bowden still has a job in the baseball space and he is about as toxic as you can find.

What’s to clean up?!?!?

God it sucks being a fan of Chicago sports teams.

If they don't go out and get at least three decent starting pitchers it's possible.

Of course Aaron Rodgers might be out for the season AFTER he leaves the NFC North ?

In his previous role, didn’t the Minor league coordinator have the ability to put some serious influence on several of these? If he were prepared to do them, getting buy in from ownership on some of these should be important to, but it’s clear that wasn’t part of the original agreement where he took the job as issues like the staff were things he said they would talk about later. For a big example, we have heard a lot about the owner having to clear draft picks, right up to the last few minutes, and this fits with some of their draft choices. Why would we expect that to change if the owner hasn’t agreed to change it? Theres just no reason to believe they will do the bare minimum when the guy brought in didn’t do these things in his previous role and when they have no buyin from ownership.

Went to Cal Berkeley. Maybe those Stanford guys thought he could figure everything out on his own. Crazy that he basically got pushed out in 2014 in favor of giving playing time to Gordon Beckham, Alexei Ramirez and Conor Gillaspie. Ugh....

Absolutely no reason at this point to send him down. Getz is a F’N idiot!

This is by design. They had so many issues they couldn't fix all in one off season. They added to the linebackers and drafted for the secondary and dline. Anyone who thought the Bears were going to be good this year was fooling themselves. Next year with 2 high first round picks they either take a QB (if and when Fields doesn't pan out) or the best pass rusher.

I just think it is too ubiquitous to be a scouting issue. Yeah, they have drafted a lot of players like Collins/Burger/Sheets that were believed to be good enough offensively it papers over defense, and they seem to mak e that decision over and over, as we saw with Sheets in the Outfield. BUT - guys like Leury when we acquired had reputations as defensive whizzes. He was plus versatile but average at defense from the jump. I have zero confidence a sosa, rodriguez, ramos will come up and be plus defense, and they won't really try to improve them. When have we EVER had this? https://theathletic.com/4847416/2023/09/10/cardinals-jordan-walker-willie-mcgee/ (story about jordan walkers awful defensive start this year, which bothered the cards and they sought to improve it and now he's improved it) The sox may be interested in defense, but just like when vince coleman sets out to make us a blazing stolen bases team, the emphasis never translates. The org just has no idea how to do anything so they are just kinda imitating the language and motions of teams that care and fire people that can't teach.

maybe? I think reinsdorf's number one goal was to keep a best friend.