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There is no easy straight forward answer to the cesspool they created. They have zero credibility with the fan base who (rightly) think anything said by the front office is spin and CYA. If they call it a rebuild they publicly admit the initial attempt was a failure and they also alienate what fan base they have left who won't believe the folks in charge will do any better than the previous staff. But that same fan base will see (likely) a half-ass off season trying to patch numerous holes with retreads, has-been's, injury prone players and mediocre free agents. They are between a rock and a hard place. There is only one way out and I'm not being facetious. Fans need to take care of themselves and hope to outlive JR and see what new ownership can bring. Until then it's going to be a lot of misery. Keep those VHS tapes of DVD's of past Sox games from good seasons around...your going to want to watch them.

You have a team you expect to win the division, and instead it loses 100 games. How does this dope not get fired? He is a huge part of clearing the stench.

1. Is there a point to trading Cease after a second half with an ERA over 5? Is anyone giving up multiple top prospects for that? Even Kenny Williams didn’t pay that kind of price for struggling pitchers. At least have to wait until the deadline. 2. Robert being traded is still something I’d consider if I were the white sox GM, but I wouldn’t pay a fair price if I was an opposing GM. The opposing GM would be paying a premium talent price for 4 years of control, for a player with a substantial injury history, who also seems to be very difficult to coach - he’s relying solely on athletic ability and doesn’t want to learn more. The trade deadline problems still exist, only a handful of teams can afford him and for those who could it’s a very risky deal.

Congrats all around on 100. Proud day

61-101 has a nice ring to it.

Until proven otherwise I’m expecting them to massively overpay for Salvador Perez in a trade (hoping not to the point of Montgomery) sign 4 or 5 players to $10 million contracts, and declare that they think they’re competitive for the AL Central right now.

This stat implies he puts balls in play. Not in my memory.

Trade is a bad word for the Sox organization. They don't work yet fans say trade but forget the realistic part like for what? Stocked farm, getting a haul are just buzz words for the fantasy player. It's a false sense of reality when an organization can't develop or draft. Sure they night get lucky but history points the same direction as their sponsor.

That's up to the individua. As for me being born and raised on the South Side that is not an option.

If Bob Melvin gets canned and the White Sox don’t at least inquire, they have no hope.

Let’s go specifically to his hitting attitudes, he makes it clear that he doesn’t want coaching, he doesn’t need those advanced scouting reports, he doesn’t want someone telling him he needs to be more patient at the plate. Hes up there to swing and he doesn’t need any help. That kind of attitude is ok with the White Sox, but do you think that would fly on a quality team? Would the Dodgers put up with that? And that strategy also is working now when he’s 25 &: still one of the quickest, most athletic guys on the field. Does it still work when he’s 28 and things have slowed down by a few microseconds on his response time? Or if he’s 27 and he has a sore hip or sore shoulder?

I hate to defend Burger so much since I was so against drafting a then-pudgy bad fielding third baseman out of Mo. State. But he is amazing. And trading him was so wrong. You dump Moncada and keep Burger. Geez that was a bad trade. He actually was one guy we could have penciled in at 3B for the next 10 years. Instead, he gawn. Ridiculous.

Game tying hit and diving play to end the game Still pissed we traded him away

I was sent an e-mail tonight by a longtime former member of the Chicago media who covered the Sox. They said (quote) "Getz and Gene Watson are disaster hires. I wonder if pro scouts will depart and if Mike Shirley will be promoted."

I don't see why I should trust them to rebuild any more than they retool. Just because you rebuild doesnt mean you will actually become a contender. This shouldnt have to be explained given our current situation. Simple as that.

It doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s happening

Jake the Rake 34, 79 RBIs Three run bomb the only scoring in the game so far against MIL.

Mike Clevinger questioned about walkout song before home debut https://www.foxnews.com/sports/white-sox-mike-clevinger-questioned-about-walkout-song-before-home-debut I honestly have no idea what Clevinger is trying to accomplish there. You would think he would want to put this as much in the past as possible for a possible Fa and so he wouldn't have to deal with the circus. Now? It's back front and center and being covered by the national media. This is a distraction neither himself or the team needs right now

Bob Melvin 100% should have been bochy two times now.

Milkman Delivers delivers!

Not gonna make it to 3 pages.

I'll have more on this in the next few days i.e. By the Numbers but seriously there isn't one single area that I can find where the Sox can say, "OK...at least we are in good shape here..." The offense is a joke (more than half their games this year they scored three runs or less), the pitching is a disaster with few starters and a bullpen made up almost entirely of cast off's, retreads and has been's, terrible fundamentals from "baseball-stupid" players, an incompetent, dysfunctional and inept front office who is new to the carnage, an ossified owner who has already put limits on the free agent situation publicly and a poor minor league system. What could possibly go wrong in 2024? ?

Marlins never let us down!

Wtf. Woo!

Shaw making his 100th appearance, incidentally.

I'd file that plan under "How not to rebuild"

And bringing back the manager associated with that historical ineptitude. Inspiring.

he is still owed 46 million dollars, the Royals should be the one giving up prospects to get out from that. I can't imagine any scenario where any prospect more valuable than Wilfred Veras is traded for Perez. I'd actually like the guy on the team but you'd have to be foolish to give up anything of actual value.

September 30, 1904 – Guy “Doc” White fired his fifth straight complete game shutout running his scoreless streak to 45 innings in a 4-0 win over the New York Highlanders (Yankees) at South Side Park. The streak started on September 12 with a win over the Cleveland Naps (Indians). During his shutout run he won two games by the score of 1-0, one of those was a one-hitter on September 16 against the Browns. In 45 innings White allowed only 17 hits. His shutout streak ended in his next start, two days later, against the same New York team when they got a run in the first inning although White went on to win that game 7-1. September 30, 1921 - Sox catcher Ray “Cracker” Schalk tied a Major League record with three assists in one inning. It happened in a 3-2 loss to Cleveland at Comiskey Park. It happened in the eighth inning. Schalk fielded three ground balls, throwing to first to record an out, to tie the mark. September 30, 1949 - Sox G.M. Frank Lane started the connection between the franchise and Venezuela when he dealt two minor leaguers and $35,000 dollars to the Dodgers for shortstop Alfonso “Chico” Carrasquel. “Chico” would be named to three All-Star teams and would become the first Venezuelan to appear in the midseason classic. He’d then be traded before the start of the 1956 season, to the Indians for Larry Doby and to open up the position for another countryman of his, Luis Aparicio. September 30, 1956 - In the season ending game at Kansas City, Sox pitcher Jim Derrington became the youngest person to ever appear in a game wearing a Sox uniform. Derrington was 16 years old when he started against the A’s. He went six innings allowing six runs (five earned) in a 7-6 loss. The teenaged lefty didn’t last long in the big leagues. He pitched a total of 43 innings in the majors, appearing in 21 games, and had a career record of 0-2. He was signed as a bonus baby by the Sox only 18 days before making his big-league debut! September 30, 1966 - The Sox defeated the New York Yankees 6-5 in 11 innings on a single to left by Johnny Romano. It scored Wayne Causey. Why was that important? The loss guaranteed the Yankees a last place finish. It was their first since 1912. They went 70-89-1. September 30, 1971 - When Bill Melton smashed a home run on the last day of the season off the Brewers Bill Parsons in the third inning, he became the first Sox player to ever win a home run championship. Melton hit three home runs in the final two games to pass former Sox player Norm Cash and Reggie Jackson for the title. Typically, White Sox, he only had 33, the lowest total for a champ since 1965. In an effort to give Melton an additional at bat or two, manager Chuck Tanner had the power hitter leading off in the Sox final two games. His homer was the difference in a 2-1 win. September 30, 1980 - For all of his contributions to baseball and to the White Sox organization, owner Bill Veeck was honored with his own night. The ceremonies took place before the Sox would drop a 5-1 decision to Oakland. September 30, 1990 - 80 years of baseball history ended as the original Comiskey Park closed with a 2-1 win over the Mariners. An emotional and capacity crowd, including politicians, musicians, sports and Hollywood figures were in attendance. Among the celebrities in the park were Governor Jim Thompson, Major Richard M. Daley, Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Ron Howard, George Wendt, John Candy, Wayne Gretzky, Billy Cunningham and Maureen O’ Hara. The Oak Ridge Boys sang the National Anthem and the rock group Styx sang "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" during the seventh inning. Bobby Thigpen got his 57th save in the game. The Sox would close out a miraculous 1990 season with 94 wins. September 30, 1997 - After controversies on and off the field (calling for a relief pitcher with no one warming up, a fistfight with umpire Richie Garcia at a steakhouse, a brawl near third base with Brewer’s manager Phil Garner) manager Terry Bevington was fired. No flowers were sent and no Sox fan (or player) shed any tears. September 30, 2000 - Sox infielder Jose Valentin became the fourth player in franchise history to hit home runs from both sides of the plate in the same game. Valentin connected off the Royals Blake Stein and Scott Mullen. He drove in three runs in the Sox 9-1 win. This had only happened six times in franchise history and Valentin did it three times himself! Also, three times this feat happened against the Kansas City Royals. September 30, 2008 - For the first time the White Sox played an extra game to get into the post season. They hosted the Twins in the 163rd contest of the year known as the “Blackout Game” and won 1-0 clinching the Central Division title. John Danks threw eight shutout innings, Jim Thome belted what turned out to be the game winning home run and Ken Griffey Jr. threw out a Minnesota runner at home. The Sox won the division with a record of 89-74. The 1-0 score was the lowest tiebreaker playoff game in Major League history. September 30, 2016 – Sox left hander Carlos Rodon tied the franchise and the American League record by striking out the first seven Twins hitter in a game at U.S. Cellular Field. The original record was set by the Sox Joe Cowley back in 1986 at Texas. Unlike Cowley though, Rodon actually won his game 7-3. Rodon struck out 11 on the night pitching eight innings. September 30, 2023 – It was the final embarrassment to an embarrassing season on and off the field. The White Sox loss to the Padres 6-1, on the next to last day of the season, was number 100 on the year. It was the fifth time in franchise history the team lost at least 100 games. In two years’ time, in the middle of a supposed window of contention, after a three year rebuild, the Sox went from 93 wins to triple digit losses. A number of players were traded at the deadline and then a few weeks after it both Executive Vice President Kenny Williams and General Manager Rick Hahn were fired by owner Jerry Reinsdorf who called the season embarrassing and said that if he were a fan he’d be “pissed off.”

Of course you would.

They will need to change the way they operate if they ever want to legitimately contend for "multi-championship seasons" for the first time since Larry Himes' early 1990s teams (well until Jerry sabotaged during his futile attempt to kill the union). They need to keep Luis Robert Junior. Even if they get three legitimate solid players dumping Robert, they will need at least a dozen more. They need to find out a way to get a dozen more, and hopefully Luis will still be here. White Sox fans should have a chance to enjoy their best players for as long as possible, and hopefully play and stay long enough to join the list of Thirteen White Sox Pennant and or World Series winners! Career 30 + bWAR White Sox with a Championship * or Pennant 68.3 Frank Thomas (2005) 67.5 Red Faber (1917, 1919) 66.8 Eddie Collins (1917, 1919) 63.9 Ed Walsh (1906) 50.0 Eddie Cicotte (1917, 1919) 49.4 Billy Pierce (1959) 48.9 Mark Buehrle (2005) 47.4 Nellie Fox (1959) 35.3 Luis Aparicio (1959) 34.1 Doc White (1906) 33.2 George Davis (1906) 33.1 Ray Schalk (1917, 1919) 32.0 Fielder Jones (1901, 1906) Career 30 + bWAR White Sox without a Championship or Pennant 77.5 Luke Appling (1930 - 1950) 66.8 Ted Lyons (1923 - 1942; 1946) 51.7 Wilbur Wood (1967 - 1978) 41.4 Minnie Minoso (1951 - 1957; 1960 - 1961; 1964; 1976; 1980) 39.4 Robin Ventura (1989 - 1998) 31.8 Jose Abreu (2014 - 2022) 30.2 Thornton Lee (1937 - 1947) 30.1 Chris Sale (2010 - 2016) Note *: Includes 1901 American League Championship - There was no World Series played until 1903.

I like walkup songs. They're playing music and sounds thoughout the game anyway, might as well make something personalized for the players. It makes it fun for the fans too. Shane Victorino's walkup song was a Bob Marley song that everyone loved to sign along to, always got the crowd into it. I remember everyone was upset when MLB cracked down on the length of the walkup songs and it cut his short.

Why for such a s%*# team have we so many new asshats here on the forum?

The White Sox once fired their sound guy for playing Whitesnake songs when Chuck Finley was pitching for the Angels. His wife at the time used to date or be married to their singer and she was in some of their videos.

Who will quickly pass off the blame to an underling or naive Millennial intern. Teflon.

First off, what did this clown think he accomplished with this? Secondly, how does whoever is in charge of actually playing it go through with it?

Jesus Christ. One thing I've always thought is what does it say about the man if he's so easily falling into "love" with such a shallow character? You played yourself buddy. He really needs to shut up and pitch.

f*** him

Turds gonna turd.

I don't care who they stroll out there. Just get this piece of s%*# off the team now.

Release him and fire Hahn, good lord. It’s not like Clevinger being a shithead wasn’t known.

I mean, they readily admitted they hired TLR facing his DUI charge.

Yeah no s%*#. He's a bad guy.

Source: The White Sox ?

The only thing that isn't making this an absolute House of Horrors is the The Athletic saying the Sox didn't know.

This team...man...

There wasn't even a denial from his agent. Dude needs to be gone by the end of the day.

Yeah he better be a former White Sox as soon as they can possibly do it

Can we just cut Clevinger, fire Hahn and blow up this team?