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Getz is the epitome of failing upward. He wasn’t qualified for his previous job in which he failed miserably, and he isn’t qualified for his new job with even more responsibility. My only hope is that he seems to have brought in a few new baseball people who are smarter than him and can help overcome his many deficiencies. This is still a Reinsdorf operation however, so Getz will get to fail continually and repeatedly without consequence. I wish him the best but even the greatest of baseball execs would struggle with the impossible task that lies ahead in fixing the White Sox.

There is absolutely nothing impressive about Rick Hahn’s resume. On paper it’s an absolute embarrassment. And failures have nothing to do with the fact there are more qualified people for the White Sox GM job than Chris Getz.

Getz doesn't deserve and will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. As already outlined above, he inherited numerous top prospects and high draft picks and under his watch it has sunk into the abyss. There is nothing to suggest otherwise. He had a chance to make an impression by firing Grifol and instead he got a vote of confidence. You just cant retain that man after losing 100 games in a season where you were expecting contention, it can't happen.

Jose MVP!!! Another 3 run homer. .... Good move, White Sox. He was over the hill ... yeah right. Congrats Jose, keep it going!

Burke walks to load the bases, Colson clears 'em with a triple.

He was so bad. I remember how excited I was the winter of Harper / Machado. I really thought we’d land one of them and things were going to finally change. The failure to not land either broke me, but I recovered the following winter when they signed Grandal and offered a big contract for Wheeler. Despite not being a huge fan of the Keuchel signing, I saw signs the money was being spent. It’s amazing how quickly it went downhill from there. I love Liam the player (and didn’t hate the signing) and was a huge fan of the Lancer trade (and following extension), but almost everything after that was terrible. Despite huge holes in RF and 2B, Rick refused to fill those roles with actual impact players and instead loaded on relievers and role players. He showed no killer instinct outside of trading players off the major league roster for a second closer. And then as a final parting gift, the dude goes out and hands out the largest contract franchise history to a no power, mediocre defensive LF. While it’s a complete joke that a 5/$75M contract is the largest in franchise history, it’s still a really bad deal for a very ordinary (possibly bad) player. I feel bad my children will have to watch him for the next four years.

I have almost no interest in baseball anymore. Like zero. This playoffs all I’ve seen is Bryce Harper talking about getting chills playing for Phillies fans. That was cool and really honest. What could have been. Haven’t watched any games though at all this year. Did TLR kill it for me? I don’t even know. All I know is I don’t care. Colson is exciting. That seems to be my only interest point. Maybe just wash the decks and start over with him and Robert? Again, I’m probably just going to check in passively going forward. Really weird considering my history but I have no regrets tuning it all out. It just happened somehow.

I had to stop listening to the Soxtalk podcast. They recognize the same problems we do but their solutions are almost always meatball level. Justin Turner is 39 next year and is due to fall off a cliff any second. In fact, he would almost CERTAINLY crater once signed by the Sox because that's what happens to this team. Even if he's good there's no way you can trust him for more than a year, and then you're right back where you were. It'd be smarter to keep Eloy for one more season and see what he can do - Turner posted 2.1 bWAR last year so it's not like you need some amazing performance from Eloy to get to the same level, and Eloy has potential upside that Turner just doesn't at this point of his career. I also laugh about replacing Elvis with Merrifield. They're almost the same player with hitting, but Merrifield plays left field instead of shortstop.

He has like 2 +0.500% winning seasons in like 11 years as GM. Anyone that incompetent would have been fired a long time before failing that badly.

And like a week later Getz said he had to do a “deep dive” into the organization to discover what he had.

He retained the buffoon Grifol. That’s a majorly screw up. He hasn’t had time to screw up much but that’s a start.

October 19, 1949 – Sox G.M. Frank Lane struck again. Lane dealt backup catcher and malcontent Joe Tipton to the Philadelphia A’s for a young, small second baseman named Jacob Nelson “Nellie” Fox. Tipton had gotten into a fistfight with Sox manager Jack Onslow during the 1949 season and wasn’t going to be kept. All Fox did was eventually get to the Hall of Fame, have his #2 retired by the team in 1976, make 12 All- Star teams, win the league’s M.V.P. award in 1959 and become one of the faces of the “Go-Go” Sox during the 1950's and early 1960's.

Lol I can believe it. Very bulls like

Giolito and Flaherty

Has any complete teardown ended as badly as this one, given the assets the Sox had?

For as long as he was GM and for as little as his teams accomplished, he's got to be one of the worst to ever do it right? Given the length of time he spent as GM of this team. Does anyone else even come close to that level of failures?

Further agreed CWS…Life long Sox fan here…now in Dallas…like other Sox lifers, disgusted did not accurately describe my views of this organization last year…I walked away fully disengaged and now with the Hawks fun to watch again, the Bears season on life support and the Rangers battling ALCS with Houston, I was done with the Sox until this look back…btw, Rangers have a professional crew unlike Sox with plate discipline with Marcus Semien, Corey Seager, rookie phenoms Evan Carter/Josh Jung, etal…saw where Sox canned hitting coach…hah…recharged mol & back to ChiSox now…await wholesale roster changes except imv Robert’s/Cease….Will Getz do it?…

Harold thinks he will be great, and Harold is rarely wrong - if ever. Based on his opinion, I think Getz will be great.

If the Sox want Merrifield so bad, they can just bring back Elvis.

I, too, would like to give Getz a chance. But not removing Grifol is a giant red flag right out the gate. If he pleasantly surprises me in the off season, great. But Grifol remaining is killing any optimism for me.

Chris Getz was hired in 2016. He was then handed a bunch of top 50 prospects and top 10 draft picks. By 2020 we were already tapped out of a pipeline and needing to trade major league pieces to supplement a playoff roster. By 2023 we had 100 losses. I don't know how we say he didn't make it worse. He happened to take over in a time where technology in player development exploded. People say he "modernized it" without thinking whether it is still behind all other 29 teams. He was pretty bad at his job actually.

It's an unfounded rumor that he's unqualified for the job?

It's almost as if relievers are volatile and overpaying for veteran relievers is dumb.

If the Sox left Chicago I'd simply stop watching baseball, period, full stop. I would never under any circumstances become a Cub fan.

The playoffs are Jose's we're just watching it.

On the WST Podcast with Josh Barfield, he said that Ramos is "a bit nicked up" right now, which explains the recent absences.

The Rangers are gonna lose these last 2 games cause they couldn't get Maldonado out.

I think the idea today is to use both Heaney as the starter and Dunning as the first reliever out of the pen, hoping to get a long enough outing to give their offense a shot. Dunning has a good amount of bullpen experience this year, more than Heaney, so throwing several innings might be a good idea, and it sets them up to do some lefty-righty maneuvering against Baker's lineup by putting Heaney out there first.

I do not get these obsessions with utility infielders/outfielders. They're almost all directly interchangeable and are the literal last component you worry about when building your position player roster.

These Chris Getz memes will continue to be hilarious. He just has a face you have to laugh at.

1 over .500 season when fans could attend games. A horrible GM.

Again, you aren't getting those two pitchers without trading serious assets.

And that one had an ERA close to 5. (Though his FIP wasn’t too bad.)

This is a solid post. I agree a subset of fans would move to Cubs or perhaps adopt another team. But I do believe there are a lot like me who like the Sox but that’s about it after how MLB has been run post Fay Vincent. I agree the faux rivalry North vs. South is a lot of BS, but plays more to the average person that do not follow as closely as fans on message boards. The only experience I have with something similar to the Sox moving would be family members and old timers I worked with at the racetracks in the 1980s who hated the Bears after they pushed out the Cardinals, and largely adopted Green Bay. I followed / went to Steeler (at Soldier Field) and Green Bay games in Milwaukee & here, but stopped following the NFL a few decades ago shortly after the Packers stopped playing in Milwaukee. The last game I attended was at the final game Three Rivers Stadium, and only watched last year’s SB, the first since the late 1990s, because I watched out of town with family. That said, I still hate the Bears and enjoy hearing about their abysmal failures post Lovie. I would take similar pleasure hearing of Sox failures if they left Chicago (even to the suburbs). It would have been three decades of schadenfreude if Jerry moved to Tampa, because they would be dead last nearly every year, and only make money with a tanking annual payroll. I could see them legitimately contracting the Sox when that was a discussion a few decades ago. Can you imagine Jerry trying to draw 10,000 in that s%*# stadium and location? Schadenfreude.

I don't know, it would take some research but the 2018 White Sox lost 100 games. 5 seasons later they are a 100 loss team again. The tear down yielded 2 winning seasons, 2 playoff appearances, 2 playoff wins, and 2 swift exits from said playoffs.

The caliber of defense these teams are playing compared to what I’m used to watching is mind boggling.

Non of the top pitchers are going to come here because 1) Jerry 2) Why would anyone want to come here

Chris Getz has been bad at his job in the White Sox organization. This is proven by the lack of development in our minor league system. Typically you don't see people who are bad at their current job get a promotion. In fact, JR basically admitted he punted this hire by saying that BS line about someone from outside the organization would take a year to learn whats going on here so that's why he stayed in house.

They've also done a poor job of developing blue-chips, if we're being honest.

I really want nothing to do with Merrifield. I watched plenty of Blue Jays last season and I just don't know what he brings to the table. Versatility is nice, but when you suck at everything, versatility hardly matters. He feels like another guy the Sox would overpay right before he drops off the cliff.

He also played a big role in the Pedro Grifol hire, and his refusal to fire him despite what’s plain to see, is an indication he will allow his mistakes, something all GMs make, to linger and hurt the team moving forward.

He definitely has screwed up. He told us all that Omar Vizquel and Wes Helms were great after they participated in some truly salacious things. Cool guy, can’t wait

No, he didn't make the draft choices, but he was responsible for taking the draft choices and developing them. Like it or not, the Sox have done a piss-poor job of developing non-blue-chip prospects. That was literally his job, and the product has been horrible.

That kind of thinking is fine and dandy but I'm going to continue to get irrationally angry about unfounded rumors. AAAARRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My biggest problem with Getz is that he was director of player development, and this team seriously lacks in that department. That being said, he is the man in charge and I wish him the best of luck because I want the White Sox to succeed.

Rick Hahn was right about one thing: Ball go far, team go far. As for the personnel making the ball go far...well.

You know why the White Sox rarely ever fire coaches? Because you still have to pay them their contract. You think JR wants to pay TWO managers at once? No shot.

I would be shocked if they give up a good prospect and eat most of the money. I hope you are right and the Royals just keep him or send him elsewhere if that's the case.

So there are a good number of Sox fans that will drop baseball. Seems like a small percentage of an ever dwindling number. Of course when they become the Astros they will draw like crazy. But what, in over a hundred years of Sox baseball, would indicate that's even remotely possible? I imagine watering down the talent even more with a couple more expansion teams is possible. But I believe with JRs tenure as owner the other owners would allow him to move because they wouldn't want to be interfered with. What's good for the goose and all.