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I mean objectively this isn't true. Tropicana and the Oakland Coliseum are terrible places.

I'm impressed by how silly this is. The White Sox have approximately zero experience developing and marketing the following things: hotels, apartments/condominiums, retail businesses not related to baseball, bars, full service restaurants, outdoor green spaces and parks, parking garages, major city developments, major environmental rehabilitation projects. Having Related involved in this effort gives it credibility as possible. If they didn't exist, the White Sox would be trying to find other companies to do this.

Nobody hates the Sox like Sox fans.

maybe he'll go down to Springfield to see if he can get the politicians to pay it.

Apparently Eric Hosmer retired. No truth to the rumor that it was to get out of signing with the Sox.

Ron Park o' Vice

Not many guys over the past few years deserve on - Liam deserves 100. Dude was awesome on and off the field and gave it 110% at everything he did. We will miss you on the Southside Liam and wish you all the success in Boston (except when you play the right colored Sox :)).

Paul DeJong at a higher price than Tim Anderson. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

If I were the governor of Illinois, I would tell the Baseball Commissioner that if MLB wants an American League team playing in Chicago, it will have to play in GRF. Otherwise, private money has to fund a new stadium. A new stadium will not help the franchise. It will help JR or any other owner after him. A new stadium alone will not turn the White Sox into winners.

Nobody hates Sox fans more than Jerry Reinsdorf. Sox fans shouldn’t be objective about the allocation of public dollars because of their sports loyalties, or only make exceptions for favorite teams? If it was such a slam dunk development brimming with off the charts potential, why wouldn’t he feel confident enough to risk, let’s say $500 million of his own money, like Ricketts did (and more)? The only answer is that billionaires have been getting away with this since the 1980’s, so why should he hold himself to a higher standard when he’s not doing something illegal, merely taking advantage of the opportunities only the investment class has access to?

I'm not bitching about the stadium, I think it's nice, and hope it's built. Just not on the taxpayer dime.

I think it crosses the line to greed. Everyone has a friend or family member that tries to negotiate everything. At some point it gets so annoying, you say just pay your share.

The Village of a Bedford Park Park

Come on. Stop trying to justify being perpetually miserable. Other fanbases have put up with the bad teams too. There’s nothing special about it.

No sh!t Sherlock. I didn’t create the f’d up system we are living in. I do know however that the 78 with a MLB stadium and a new ownership group are way more beneficial to the City of Chicago than all of the freeloading Amazon centers.

Jerry started with a 17 year head start over Tampa Bay. TB spends a fraction of payroll and eat the Sox' lunch each and every year because they hire competent management to run the team. The White Sox don't need a new stadium to compete. They need new competent owners & management. The Bulls don't need a new stadium to compete. They need new competent owners & management. The Bears don't need a new stadium to compete. They need new competent owners & management.

Well, this was supposed to be Year 4 of the Unprecedented Financial Flexibility Championship Window...as everyone argued 2020 was one year ahead of schedule (and that squad quite fortunate to be playing almost only AL Central teams). If we had advanced and even gotten to let's say the ALCS just once, there would be a heckuva LOT more enthusiasm than there currently is...unless JR was going to sign a pledge to spend at least $225 million on payroll in 2028-32 or something like that. Almost nobody believes additional revenues from a new stadium will be plugged back into all those areas that this team needs to compete with the elite/modernized teams of this era. Going the stadium route now just seems like desperation at this point...and distraction away from the product on the field. Heck, we can't even compete with four of the poorest, smallest market teams in baseball as it is, let alone the AL East or NL West.

The economics of baseball have changed. Guaranteed Rate would be a great ballpark in its current configuration in the ‘90’s. It’s still a good place to watch baseball. Fact is that modern day ballparks are a full experience, and the inside of the ballpark is just one part of the experience. Say what you will about posters who lament the loss of tailgating possibilities like THAT is going to be the death knell for baseball on the South Side, but it is indicative of the way the modern fan “consumes” baseball. It is this economic and competitive reality that is driving this “need.”

I hate the Sox because of the way they operate. If Jerry would have done this the right way 35 years ago and built Camden Yards on the 78 site, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. It's his job to fix this. This is his f*** up. I had accepted the way the Sox operate until they told me as a fan that things would be different during the 2016-2017 rebuild. They lied, and betrayed the fans. f*** them. Also there is no organization that has as much contempt for its own fanbase than the White Sox.

Here come the not so veiled threats…??‍♀️ Also, Jerry, seriously, go f*** yourself.

Bye Jerry. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

When a bad owner threatens to leave you pay for his charter. His replacement could not be any worse.

If you lived in Austin or Nashville or Portland or Salt Lake Ciry and had a choice of expansion team or Jerry Reinsdorf, you would pick expansion team. Las Vegas is realizing that right now.

Let's see, we have 115 years of history at 35th and Shields, or that Tray said so. Hmmmm.... Also, I see you are really working hard on not making it personal.

Well with all of the details you have provided here and the well reasoned, sensible argument I'm sure everyone reading your post will be impressed and convinced.

He should be given every chance to stick at SS, I just hope they are smart enough to make his development the priority, not squeezing out a win or two this year playing him out of position.

He's buried three generations of Wirtz' and wouldn't be surprised if he outlived many on this board. Spite alone might push him into the 2040s or 2050s. Perhaps he'll even outlive Virginia McCaskey. Keith Richards, however, might be a bridge too far.

I love that so many folks think that the money that is not being spent on the White Sox would somehow magically be spent in a way that makes the state or city landscape fiscally brighter. The hotel tax if not used to pay for the stadium will be used to pay down the pension shortage or help reduce property. The f..k it will! Look at Chicago and the new tax on the ballot for real estate transactions over $1M. Those funds are going to fight homelessness. The f..k they are! Those funds will go to some organization that "fights" homelessness with 90% lining a bureaucrats pocket and 10% going to some cause that may need the money but won't be enough to make a difference. If you live in Chicago/Cook/Illinois your quality of life is factored into all of this and hopefully your salary allows for you to enjoy. Tollways, hotel tax, gambling tax, cannabis, increased payroll and property tax.....none have resulted in a more efficiently run government yet Jerry is going to push us over the edge. Illinois/Cook/Chicago will spend what JR is asking on migrant services....with Jerry I sometimes see a good baseball game and if there is a concert that keeps me from having to go to Wrigley, I'm happy.

It's even more amazing how much money terrible owners can earn. And thinking back over the past decade, terrible managers and GMs.

Right, that's another option. Just letting him walk and paying 5 million for the privilege is the dumbest and worst case scenario. Get some value out of him if he's playing well.

You mean... even more of an albatross.

And Little Nicky Lopez at more than double the salary ($4.3 million) of each of them. It’s amazing how much money bad players can earn in the MLB.

The Marlins offer is only $2 million guaranteed to Tim Anderson, and he gets to start at SS. Getz definitely jumped the gun on the defensive guys he wanted. Rosario is a ridiculously better signing than DeJong for only $1.5 million, even though Rosario’s glove is in question. DeJong has been so bad over the years that he should have only been given a minor league deal and had to perform in ST to earn his spot.

Yep. I get it. The team sucks, JR is a penny-pinching ass, the Sox will always be Chicago's #2 team. But, now there's a (very real) possibility of a new stadium, and we're bitching about it. It would be the best thing to happen for the Sox and their fans since 2005. Plus, once (hopefully) the green light is given to build, the value of the franchise goes up, significantly. JR, who may not be around when the stadium opens, could very possibly sell the team between now and then.

At least if you are going to dumpster dive, go after guys like Rosario that can bounce back. Not guys like DeJong and Lopez who simply are what they are at this point.

There us an issue with playing platoon baseball, the players can never improve. He has a grand total of 102 plate appearances in the MLB. There is a possibility he improves if given some experience.

The White Sox apologize for all of the spit take damage to your devices.

And: For those capable of cognitive dissonance, it’s tough to square up being as dismissive of the public as Reinsdorf is, while asking for all of its money (Illinois has a $900 million budget shortfall). The question is whether Reinsdorf’s blithe disregard for the general populace will end up hurting him … … or whether a lot of this has already been generally agreed to, and everybody’s just going through the motions. Lip, is this entire article lifted from soxmachine? If it is, you need to edit it down asap

You’re going to have guaranteed back-to-back enjoyable seasons then.

Jerry's ability to take this on at the age of 87 is really impressive. He likely won't be alive when the park gets completed. Is this a plan to increase the value of his team before selling? If he gets everything approved, a team with a future new ballpark/baseball village in a great area would be extremely attractive to a potential buyer.

can you stay on topic for one post? and yes, if he balls out you 100% use it as leverage.

I think it's the idea that JR already once extorted money for a new stadium AND got a sweetheart least. Given all this he refuses to put a competent product on the field, instead seems to be doing everything he and his front office can, to dump on and alienate Sox fans. I'd be all for giving him this deal if I knew the return on the field would be coming. 43 years of history shows that will not be the case. If he wants this he can pay for it himself.

A football stadium takes up a lot more room than a baseball stadium. So, that would hamper the plans for developing the rest of the parcel / kills the "create a neighborhood" pitch

Sox fans sure are a miserable bunch.

I don't think it has anything to do with any of that. I think both clubs want new a stadium and want that public money. While I never believe anything the media says on face value, both clubs are publicly trying to work these deals.it will be interesting to see who wins.

I don’t agree with Bernstein much but he’s spot on here. If it’s such a great deal, do it yourself. JR and Related have plenty of money. He can be the catalyst that created this great new ballpark, with a great new neighborhood with 22000 new jobs….what a way to go out, and his heirs still can cash in.

Lol, Sox fans unite in rebellion

Is that 150 games between the 3 of them? Because I think that might be achievable.

I think the team will move this time. People aren't going to vote in a tax for this stadium. It's a new era. Chicago still has the Bears, Cubs, Bulls and Hawks. This poorly run organization I feel will move this time unless they accept the fact GRate is their field for a long time to come.

Goooooooood.........