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Nah, always take them at their word. As soon as you start making excuses for them then you are doing exactly what they want. I didn’t believe they were gonna turn it around when he said it, but HE said it without anyone putting it in his mouth, and he should be held to that.

The problem is, Getz took over a 101 loss team that JR told us would be better. Granted he said he didn't know how much better, but it was 20 games worse, and set a record for losses. It is absolutely disgusting. There are plenty of organizations, the ones where winning and not kissing the ring of the owner takes precedence, where, yes Getz wouldn't have been hired in the first place, but since he was, he would be gone. It shouldn't take long to find out if someone is in over their head. The Bears didn't need 5 years to know Trestman and Emery were junk, and they aren't exactly known as a team where winning is the only focus. If you suck, you suck. Getz sucks. To me, not recognizing it is the same as keeping RH and KW around so long. He has shown you what he is. Unfortunately, that is a hack. He did something no other GM has ever been bad enough to accomplish, and say what you want, he wasn't trying to lose that many games.

At least Kenny could scout in his day.

Anyone who took what JR said about the team being better and undergoing a quick turnaround seriously, is an idiot. I'm sorry.

Tray, proving to the world that the surrounding area is a huge draw that has been invested in

I’m not sure how you can argue the brand is fine. There has been considerable damage done. That doesn’t mean we can’t recover, but we have a reached a new low point that hasn’t been topped since the strike.

I live in Bridgeport, and I was taking about the sea of empty lots immediate around the ballpark that sit empty 284 times a year. But please, tell more about my own neighborhood, where I reside, work, and spend the majority of my time.

Other than the hat/logo, 2023 Luis Robert and 2024 Garrett Crochet, there's absolutely nothing interesting about this franchise unless you love young/left-handed pitching...while it lasts.

If they build in any of the suburbs, their sponsorship money from the Village of Bedford Park would dry up. Also, what do you think the urban fans would do? How would they get to the games? By having the stadium in the city, you open doors for people without access to cars to get to the games. The 78 would be developed as a destination in and of itself. There'd be more than just a ballgame / ballpark there. A suburban stadium would just be an island. You go to the game, then you head home. That's not how the game is marketed anymore.

This has always been my understanding as well. It’s not the neighborhood stopping anything, but JR monopolizing every dollar spent at or around the park.

It’s a running theme, just like the parking lots.

I mentioned many years ago there were blueprints made concerning developing some of the parking lots with bars and restaurants. JR wanted nothing to do with it. He eventually partially relented and we got the ChiSox Bar and Grill where he gets all the money and the gift shop. He doesn’t want anything around there unless he has access to the cash register.

Take what they say as seriously as any other advertising. We thought it was New Sox but it was Sox Classic.

That's the other thing. He's playing Dejong and Lopez and Pham....and letting the young guys rot. He wasn't playing for 110 losses. That was one of the many BS parts of what he and JR have to say.

This might have been the best prediction in this whole thread,

That is what he told us. Being better than a 101 loss team isn't a high bar. Getz fell over 20 games short. That's a lot. That's the difference between a 100 win team, and a below .500 team. Getz himself mentioned the AL Central as not being a particularly strong division.

That promise was made by Governor Thompson. JR didn't have the authority to get involved in eminent domain issues or offer state owned land to the family that owned the bar. They were offered the opportunity to relocated to a vacant dumpy bar a few blocks away and declined.

I agree.If you want to kill the sport, this is a move to make. I don't think adding to the roster that much is feasible. The rich teams would only get better. If the goal is to keep pitchers healthy, get out of the max effort every pitch era.

And as you corectly pointed out a while ago, even teams that have TRIED to lose have never managed to lose 121 games. Ever.

Nobody will be as good as Crochet, but I think Cannon/Burke/Martin/Thorpe are higher floor than Soroka/Flexen/Nastrini.

I think it is. Fedde is already gone. Crochet is next. Some guys looked decent, but I wouldn't bet on anyone yet.

Really going out on a limb there, eh?

Again, since the start of the divisional playoffs structure, there has been almost 100 seasons where a team lost 100 or more games. Plenty of those seasons have had mass firings, incompetent ownership, player injuries, and idiots taking over jobs and still NONE of them managed to fall to more than 120 wins the next season. Pretending this was some inevitable step in rebuilding is an absurd afront to the fans, and frankly insulting. Fans have earned the right to be mad, and will be until things like results actually change.

"Disagree. What have the built? Not much. It’s homes. It’s a residential area. JR has also tried to get some commercial development setup over there but has been denied by the neighborhood. It’s one of the reasons why moved ahead with the UC development area. beautiful new homes in Bridgeport though" First the term "disinvestment" was used incorrectly by a poster who does not know what that means. " What have the built? Not much?" Are you suggesting that the ISFA should finance commercial buildings around the stadium? That sounds like a good idea if/when a new Comiskey is built on the site of the original and the South side of 35th street gets a new McCuddy's and much much more. If you build it and it has beer, they will come.

I got his autograph at that time. When the Sox drafted Madrigal I thought oh great another Harry Chappas.

The one area that SouthSider2k5 has gotten boxed in on is criticizing the White Sox fanbase support, historically...only showing up when there's a "winning" (meaning 2nd or 3rd place at worst) or competitive team, or like numerous Sox fans holding out attending games during seasons like 2000/2003/2008/2010/2012 because they were ultimately skeptical about those Sox teams. It's pretty much impossible to blame Sox fans themselves after the last two seasons of near complete, total sheer ineptitude. That has now become an extreme minority position to STILL support the organization...because there's no way to separate supporting from JR, or buying season tickets or even a suite for one game means you're "okay with how things currently are." A number of posters USED to cite how much the White Sox payroll was...and use that as proof of ownership commitment...see, they're spending somewhere between 12th and 18th in the big leagues, but they're actually something like 22nd-25th in attendance, but we've all learned from 2021-2025 that sheer spending itself doesn't correlate very strongly with the actual product on the field, or AT ALL, with this current leadership "regime."

Well having the worst season seems to have empowered you to feel right about many things. But you never sway very far from the majority opinion which always guarantees more people will think you're right than wrong.You play it pretty safe. That 121 loss team indicts mostly those who have had the most power in creating it over time. That's a very high percentage on JR. Getz has barely started. There's time to blame him down the line even though not recognizing the puppet from the puppet master seems to be willful blindness to ensure you win whatever office you seem to be running for on Soxtalk.

Happy for Justin though. But man talk about a fun two weeks. Now the bye week and what should be a really good battle between two outstanding rookie qbs. Please let this be just the beginning of a super magical run with the Bears!!!

I believe I saw a headline last week something to the effect that baseball has seen attendance rise for the past few years in a row now coming off the pandemic. How that compares to all-time records I don't know.

No it doesn't. It spells clueless and also no one said anything against in the organization. Were the Marlin trades worse? They have a rookie GM. The grade for Getz so far is WTF. A real organization would fire someone for that trade or move them away from doing anymore harm. This is the White Sox and do we ever have low expectations.

What irritates me more is the Dodger coaches day 1 said you are throwing to many fastballs and to mix it up more. Yet nobody on this unqualified staff could help MK.

This was the worst season in the history of baseball in terms of losses. I would call that a pretty clear sign of the quality of the GM, manager, or anyone else connected to this organization. Your hyperventilating over people not being positive after a 121 loss season continues to be almost fake in it's persistence plus indignation.

Ouch:)

the real shitty part is knowing in 15 years when the team's competitive again we'll probably give up 9 prospects for michael kopech

Our franchise is a disaster, JR refuses to hire good scouts and the best people around to develop our players at both the Major and Minor league levels but to tell you the truth I thought Kopech was a lost cause but because he went to an organization that does everything right in order to win they were able to turn MK around to the pitcher we thought he was always going to be. f*** JR and his cheap and antiquated ways that have just about destroyed the White Sox franchise while becoming the laughing stock of MLB.

Dodgers paid a steep price for Kopech and Edman, but sometimes you have to give up a talent of Miguel Vargas' level.

The pity was how little we got back for a rough diamond like MK. Fireballer relievers throwing 102 mph should have commanded a top prospect. Baseball people knew that MK with a better environment and coaching would be an invaluable asset. Getz screwed it up. IMO.

this is one of those things about the suburbs. There's extreme winners and losers. For anyone on north and west or farther south sides, 35th and shields is a little painful but not bad. Move them to Tinley /Orland Park and it's painful east and south, and there's no "take a train after work and uber home" left. For football, I never minded the idea of them going to arlington heights. But for baseball, inconvenience is death for me attending a weeknight game.

Not sure what the argument is here exactly, but it’s harder for the batter to hit the ball than for the pitcher to throw it past him. So if anything, a batter that stays alive that long should earn a walk rather than the pitcher earn an out.

I'm all good. When I saw the post I thought I did something to get banned from the site.