tray Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) Even for those who did not/do not want Ozzie to manage again, you might agree that he would at least shake things up in the clubhouse and perhaps in the front office. Ozzie has said in his post-game comments that he might consider bringing up minor league players to give them a shot rather than watching the players we have fail to hit. I would be OK with that, even where control of players might be impacted. These are desperate times. The other thing is that Ozzie would add some interest for the media and for fans. Grifol has zero personality - a real dud. IMO. bringing Oz back at least on an interim basis is a no-brainer, but as much as JR is loyal to old employees, he also may hold grudges. Edited April 20 by tray 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 6 hours ago, TheBooneLoganEra said: Well therein lies the problem. Can't change the culture with a loser who accepts losing. No I agree this team will be bad under anyone but just giving up is horrible for young players to be around and that seems to be all this clown does. The sooner he's gone the better. One thing struck me yesterday, these guys just aren't angry. Trea Turner tags up from first to second on a flyout, up 7 on a moribund offense, and Lopez is joking with Turner at second. Some commenters get all scoldy towards those who suggest some chin music, but it really seems like these guys don't care that they're going to be setting some records this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 23 minutes ago, WestEddy said: One thing struck me yesterday, these guys just aren't angry. Trea Turner tags up from first to second on a flyout, up 7 on a moribund offense, and Lopez is joking with Turner at second. Some commenters get all scoldy towards those who suggest some chin music, but it really seems like these guys don't care that they're going to be setting some records this year. I think they already know the season is toast and are just going through the motions. They'll pick up a few weeks before the trade deadline in the hopes of leaving the Titanic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 59 minutes ago, WestEddy said: One thing struck me yesterday, these guys just aren't angry. Trea Turner tags up from first to second on a flyout, up 7 on a moribund offense, and Lopez is joking with Turner at second. Some commenters get all scoldy towards those who suggest some chin music, but it really seems like these guys don't care that they're going to be setting some records this year. I saw that as well. I had the same thought. This guy doesn’t seem too bothered about being so bad. I’m not saying go try to get into a fight or anything, but instead of laughing and joking while you’re getting your ass kicked, show some intensity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I saw that as well. I had the same thought. This guy doesn’t seem too bothered about being so bad. I’m not saying go try to get into a fight or anything, but instead of laughing and joking while you’re getting your ass kicked, show some intensity. If fans know the season is already over, you know the players do as well. And their salaries get paid out either way. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 The 5 run explosion today just earned Pedro another month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Green Line said: The 5 run explosion today just earned Pedro another month. Equally they might be the only runs the White Sox score for that month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 For those who follow spring training ... wasn't it evident from week one of spring training how bad a hitting team this would be? I woulda added Whit, Pham and plenty of other guys at that point not named DeJong, Lopez and Maldy when it was painfully obvious how bad this team would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 32 minutes ago, greg775 said: For those who follow spring training ... wasn't it evident from week one of spring training how bad a hitting team this would be? I woulda added Whit, Pham and plenty of other guys at that point not named DeJong, Lopez and Maldy when it was painfully obvious how bad this team would be. They were after Whit. He picked the better team. As pretty much every FA would have done. Only reason Pham is here is because no one came calling in the offseason and the Sox can pretty much guarantee playing time for him to prove his worth so he can get traded to a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: They were after Whit. He picked the better team. As pretty much every FA would have done. Only reason Pham is here is because no one came calling in the offseason and the Sox can pretty much guarantee playing time for him to prove his worth so he can get traded to a contender. I’m not really sure the plan to trade him after he starts hitting is gonna work. Nobody wanted Pham because he is a toxic clubhouse presence. Here we are in late April and the only team that came calling has 3 wins and the only reason they called was because Moncada Eloy and Robert got hurt immediately. Who is to say Pham shows up and this team is so bad that he just mails it in and collects a few checks and goes away, or we get to the trade deadline and nobody is interested just like Clevinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: I’m not really sure the plan to trade him after he starts hitting is gonna work. Nobody wanted Pham because he is a toxic clubhouse presence. Here we are in late April and the only team that came calling has 3 wins and the only reason they called was because Moncada Eloy and Robert got hurt immediately. Who is to say Pham shows up and this team is so bad that he just mails it in and collects a few checks and goes away, or we get to the trade deadline and nobody is interested just like Clevinger. What’s his story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 13 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: I think they already know the season is toast and are just going through the motions. They'll pick up a few weeks before the trade deadline in the hopes of leaving the Titanic. Hope is it, who would want any of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 When questioned after Saturday’s loss to the Phillies what he thought of his team’s execution, Grifol opined, “I would not be in favor of it. Just flush this one and get ready for Sunday.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 16 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: I think they already know the season is toast and are just going through the motions. They'll pick up a few weeks before the trade deadline in the hopes of leaving the Titanic. These guys are literally all playing for their careers. I don’t think anyone is just “going through the motions”. They just aren’t any good. Edited April 21 by ChiSox59 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: These guys are literally all playing for their careers. I don’t think anyone is just “going through the motions”. They just aren’t any good. This seems like it should be really, really obvious, but apparently not for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This seems like it should be really, really obvious, but apparently not for some. Yeppp. Meathead take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 33 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: These guys are literally all playing for their careers. I don’t think anyone is just “going through the motions”. They just aren’t any good. We were told that is why these guys would be much better than people think. What a mess. I just wish there was someone JR would listen to who could tell him hey either you need to change your ways or take the tax hit and sell the team. I’ll leave the Bulls for Bulls fans , although I’m pretty sure they feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 hours ago, Milkman delivers said: What’s his story? Just seems to be a super intense guy that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It’s the same guy that slapped Joc Pederson in the face (lmao) because of a fantasy football league game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Just seems to be a super intense guy that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It’s the same guy that slapped Joc Pederson in the face (lmao) because of a fantasy football league game Sounds like another veteran that Pedro will be scared of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Just seems to be a super intense guy that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It’s the same guy that slapped Joc Pederson in the face (lmao) because of a fantasy football league game So much for the b.s. spewed about improving the clubhouse culture this season. It's hard to only win three games out of how many the Sox have played. Law of averages suggests a few more wins than this, but this team is so bad it defies the law of averages. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: These guys are literally all playing for their careers. I don’t think anyone is just “going through the motions”. They just aren’t any good. Most of these guys are in their mid-30's and have already made a lot of money they aren't playing for their careers in my opinion because they know their days are numbered anyway. When you are 33-34-35 how much of a career do you have left??? When you are 3-17, human nature kicks in, it may be unconscious but it's there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Merkin Fan Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 There needs to be a change. Grady Sizemore or Charlie Montoyo will hopefully get an extended look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, Scott Merkin Fan said: There needs to be a change. Grady Sizemore or Charlie Montoyo will hopefully get an extended look. Montoyo has experience at least, but I’m hoping it’s not him. Sizemore is just getting his feet wet in coaching. Can’t imagine he’d be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Merkin Fan Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Just now, flavum said: Montoyo has experience at least, but I’m hoping it’s not him. Sizemore is just getting his feet wet in coaching. Can’t imagine he’d be considered. Good point, Stephen Vogt comes to mind though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, Scott Merkin Fan said: Good point, Stephen Vogt comes to mind though. Yep. Thought of him too, but he had a year with the Mariners last year, and also a former catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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