Robert stays...

[Chicago White Sox]

18 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said:

I would not be even remotely surprised. His "sale" is structured the way it is specifically to milk the club for everything it is worth. 

How so?

[Chicago White Sox]

19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Jerry has a CPA and was an IRS/tax lawyer/attorney in his younger years.  He definitely formulated the ultimate leech deal with Ishbia until his untimely demise.

What is a “leech” deal and how did you come across these terms?

[Chicago White Sox]

White Sox’s results in July without Houser & Slater:

• Positional: 3.1 fWAR (16th overall)
• Pitching: 1.7 fWAR (tied for 19th)

Literally a middle of the pack team for the month.  I’d expect some regression as the young pitching wears down (hopefully Perez can help there though), but no chance would I take our YTD winning percentage and assume that sticks or gets worse the rest of the way.  The positional group is simply much more talented and more seasoned (to some degree at least) than the one we started the year with.

[caulfield12]

46 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

And they are on pace for 103 after catching fire in July to be one game below .500.  They will revert to the mean and most likely be between 105-110.

Plus around the 10th hardest remaining schedule.

At least Sox not missing 10 players like the Twins...and nearly their entire bullpen.

[WhiteSox2023]

44 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What is a “leech” deal and how did you come across these terms?

Google it if you are confused.  If you are referring to the “terms” of the agreement for Jerry to eventually sell the team to Ishbia, they were in the press release at a high level at least.

Edited August 1 by WhiteSox2023

[greg775]

1 hour ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Greg, Roberts on paper has an OPS+ less than 90 each of the last two seasons and he isn’t getting younger.

True dat, but he's the best we've got in terms of being the most legitimate-looking star player (aside from Colson who is amazing right out of the gate). It's not our money and Jerry saving whatever he'd save in dumping Robert is not gonna mean anything to him or any of us. He stays very rich; fans don't get a discount if he leaves.

[pcq]

7 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

It’s a weird flex made by some posters here.  Getz keeping a guy that’s been a bum for two years and injured every year but one over his entire career shows what courage he has?  Giving this guy $20 million is a step in the right direction?  

That a lot of shekels for uncle Jer to pony up unless Ishy is chipping in. Poor Robert doesn't know whether to krap or scratch his elbow. I know he gets paid a lot to deal with this. 

[bobbydanks]

I've had a cigarette this morning and decided I'm fine with this. 

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

White Sox’s results in July without Houser & Slater:

• Positional: 3.1 fWAR (16th overall)
• Pitching: 1.7 fWAR (tied for 19th)

Literally a middle of the pack team for the month.  I’d expect some regression as the young pitching wears down (hopefully Perez can help there though), but no chance would I take our YTD winning percentage and assume that sticks or gets worse the rest of the way.  The positional group is simply much more talented and more seasoned (to some degree at least) than the one we started the year with.

You love setting yourself up for disappointment 

[bmags]

Why do people think Reinsdorf won’t play short term money for bad players after 2021-3? I know Robert isn’t a bullpen pitcher, but please.

[Falstaff]

12 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Right now, this is the projected positional group for next year:

Lineup:

• 1B: Vargas
• 2B: Sosa
• SS: Meidroth
• 3B: C. Montgomery*
• LF: Benintendi*
• CF: Robert
• RF: Tauchman*
• DH: Quero
• CA:  Teel*

Bench:

• IF: Mead
• OF: Robertson*
• UT: Baldwin#
• BC: Lee

Honestly, add one legit corner OF and move Benintendi to the bench / part time DH role and I’d be good with that lineup in a transition year.  With further growth from the kids, it could be decent.  Obviously I’d be open to other upgrades, but I’d probably give the kids one more year to see who takes steps.  You also would have Ramos and possibly Antonacci as contingency plans at some point in the year.

As for the bench, Robertson would move down to a AAA depth role with Andrew demoted.  Mead competes with Vargas and Sosa at 1B & 2B respectively.  Baldwin fills in everywhere and gets more playing time when there are injuries.  Lee sits on the bench and dreams of one Teel / Quero get injured mid game so he can save the day.  Honestly, I’m not sure any major upgrades are needed there.

I just don’t see where you “spread the wealth” here.

Does anyone have ideas on the Sox 2026 pitching staff ?  Who do you think gets promoted from the minors and who will be coming off the IL list.

[Chicago White Sox]

18 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

You love setting yourself up for disappointment 

Please explain how I am “setting myself up for disappointment”.  This quality of than site has plummeted because half the posts are nothing but valueless drive-by’s or various iterations of “everything sucks so nothing can be good”.  Maybe try contributing something of value using some data driven counterparts instead of this type of crap.

White Sox record by month:

• April: 7-23 (.233) - 38 win pace
• May: 11-17 (.393) - 64 win pace
• June: 10-16 (.385) - 62 win pace
• July: 12-13 (.480) - 78 win pace
• YTD: 40-69 (.367) - 59 win pace
• Since May 33-46 (.418) - 68 win pace

Weird how they have been much better since May.  It’s almost like the talent level got better when we called up three former top 100 prospects and a kid who put up a 132 wRC+ last year in AAA.  And despite your belief that Luis Robert is the worst player in all of baseball and should rot in hell for all eternity, his expected stats always suggested significant improvement was coming (something you refuse to accept to this day).  Add in us getting rid of negative win players like Vaughn and Amaya and it’s not that hard to see this is a much better positional group than the one the season started with.

So yeah, I think someone taking our YTD winning percentage and multiplying it by 162 and saying we are going to win 59 games is both lazy & stupid.  As someone who tries to be balanced in their views, I would not assume this is a 78 win type team moving forward because of one really good month.  There is a reason to believe some of the young starters will wear down and there will be some more cold streaks amongst the bats.  But this looks like a ~70 win type team moving forward if Perez can come in and give us 75% of what Houser was doing.

[hogan873]

I'm fine with keeping Robert, especially based on what type of packages were traded for other outfielders.  I would imagine the Sox will pick up his option, and that's probably more certain if he continues to play like he has over the past month.  He does seem to be re-energized and is having fun.  Maybe the young guys playing well is having an effect on the clubhouse.

As far as Getz's comment on spending over the winter, I think we can agree they will.  The question is, how much and on what?  Will it be another $20M on 5-6 trash heap veterans and schlubs?  Granted, the Slater and Tauchman signings worked out, but let's not talk about the likes of Rojas.  Or, will this team actually go out and get a big, or even fairly big, name free agent?  The day they sign someone like Schwarber or Tucker is the day I believe they're going to be serious.

They have a great young core that is exciting and has a lot of promise.  Wasting that by continuing to operate like they have would be a great disservice to the fans and to the players.  I suppose time will tell...

[WestEddy]

8 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

White Sox’s results in July without Houser & Slater:

• Positional: 3.1 fWAR (16th overall)
• Pitching: 1.7 fWAR (tied for 19th)

Literally a middle of the pack team for the month.  I’d expect some regression as the young pitching wears down (hopefully Perez can help there though), but no chance would I take our YTD winning percentage and assume that sticks or gets worse the rest of the way.  The positional group is simply much more talented and more seasoned (to some degree at least) than the one we started the year with.

We also play 10 games against virtual AAA teams (Twins (7), Orioles (3)), 24 against .500 or lower (Angels (3), Guardians (6), Royals (6), Braves (3), Rays (3), Nationals (3)). We have the 3rd hardest schedule after the All-Star break, but it suddenly doesn't look so tough. This team played .500 ball from June 20 on. I could see them missing 100 losses. 

Edited August 1 by WestEddy

[Y2Jimmy0]

1 hour ago, Falstaff said:

Does anyone have ideas on the Sox 2026 pitching staff ?  Who do you think gets promoted from the minors and who will be coming off the IL list.

My guess is Martin, Cannon and Smith in rotation. Burke, Vasil and Taylor in some capacity. Schultz early in the season. Hopefully Smith at some point. Plus returns from Adams, Thorpe, Bush etc at some point. I’m guessing they add at least one veteran starter too. 

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, bmags said:

Why do people think Reinsdorf won’t play short term money for bad players after 2021-3? I know Robert isn’t a bullpen pitcher, but please.

This thought is exactly what prompted my initial "the money will be spent" statement.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

We also play 10 games against virtual AAA teams (Twins (7), Orioles (3)), 24 against .500 or lower (Angels (3), Guardians (6), Royals (6), Braves (3), Rays (3), Nationals (3)). We have the 3rd hardest schedule after the All-Star break, but it suddenly doesn't look so tough. This team played .500 ball from June 20 on. I could see them missing 100 losses. 

The White Sox are the worst team of every team you listed, yet you call two of them AAA teams. 😂

[Timmy U]

15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The White Sox are the worst team of every team you listed, yet you call two of them AAA teams. 😂

Have you seen what's left of the Twins roster? Between trading 8 guys and all the injuries, that team is not good. Not saying the Sox are world-beaters, but the Twinkies are in for a very rough second half.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

The Twins have 5 starting pitcher who are better than every starter the White Sox are currently pitching.

The White Sox are projected, with their current group, to accumulate 7.9  WAR the rest of the season. That's the second worst in baseball ahead of the Rockies. If you read this place only, you'd think the Sox are surging towards the middle of the pack because of two weeks of baseball. Remarkable stuff.

Some people have forgotten that even bad teams have good stretches and months. We're too busy comparing this team to the worst team in MLB history and screaming "progress!"

Last May, the 61 win Rockies were 14-13.

The 62 win Marlins were 14-13 in May.

Neither of them went on to play close to 500 ball the rest of the way.

Bad teams have winning months. It happens every single year to the worst teams in baseball. The White Sox were simply so bad last year that they didn't achieve that.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

8 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Have you seen what's left of the Twins roster? Between trading 8 guys and all the injuries, that team is not good. Not saying the Sox are world-beaters, but the Twinkies are in for a very rough second half.

The Twins have five starting pitchers who are better than every single starter the White Sox are throwing out there right now. Their ROS WAR projection is 51% better than the Sox (7.9 vs 11.9). The Sox are no where near as good as the twins on paper the ROS.

[DoUEvenShift]

3 hours ago, bobbydanks said:

I've had a cigarette this morning and decided I'm fine with this. 

[T R U]

This is the same cycle that has happened all year, the Sox look competent for a stretch and a handful of posters pants get tighter and then they eventually remind everyone why they are a 100 loss team.

This roster is full of developing rookies and place holder veterans, they are going to have their ups and downs, but we still have a pretty mediocre pitching staff and the offense still leaves a lot to be desired. You can't rely on Quero, Lee, Meidroth, Montgomery, Burke, Martin, and Smith to all develop into great players because that's just not how it works. Sure would be great if it did though, but odds say a lot of those guys won't.

Luis Robert is the only impact player on this entire roster and he has been struggling for two years now and they just tried to get rid of him. We still have a lot of bad to go before we get to the good, but this season is light years more enjoyable than last season so there's that.

[XplodingScorbord]

Ok, this place was fun for a couple of days leading up to the deadline (and with the couple weeks worth of decent ball-playing), but now the negative nellys are back to tell us all repeatedly how awful this team will be for the next few months, so I’ll dip back out. 
 

I’ll watch the games and enjoy as long as the passable play continues. My expectations are low, so I’ll be glad for any wins and even hard-fought losses. It’s still light years better than last season. 

[WestEddy]

38 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The White Sox are the worst team of every team you listed, yet you call two of them AAA teams. 😂

You should probably take a look at the rosters of the Twins and Orioles. 

30 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The Twins have 5 starting pitcher who are better than every starter the White Sox are currently pitching.

The White Sox are projected, with their current group, to accumulate 7.9  WAR the rest of the season. That's the second worst in baseball ahead of the Rockies. If you read this place only, you'd think the Sox are surging towards the middle of the pack because of two weeks of baseball. Remarkable stuff.

Some people have forgotten that even bad teams have good stretches and months. We're too busy comparing this team to the worst team in MLB history and screaming "progress!"

Last May, the 61 win Rockies were 14-13.

The 62 win Marlins were 14-13 in May.

Neither of them went on to play close to 500 ball the rest of the way.

Bad teams have winning months. It happens every single year to the worst teams in baseball. The White Sox were simply so bad last year that they didn't achieve that.

Two weeks of baseball? U funny. The White Sox are 17-17 since June 20. You're hard to take seriously because you regularly do things like that. Pretend that 6 weeks of baseball is actually 2. Tee-hee. Sneaky. 

You're mocking a post where I said I can see the Sox missing 100 losses. That would require them to play 23-30 the rest of the way. But I said ".500" in there, somewhere, so argue against that and post laughing emojis. 

Seriously, if you can't read, and need to regularly make up strawmen to dunk on, just ignore my posts. I'm sorry that people are being positive without your express written permission. Life sucks that way. 

[Colome's Hat]

I was skeptical of the hire but you have to give Getz credit in that he has been much more serious about building an organization and a culture.