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All teams have injuries. I posted a story a few days ago about WAR injury impact. The Dodgers and (if I remember right) the Rays lead all of baseball in WAR lost due to injuries. Both those teams are still going to make the post season. Hell the Dodgers may wind up winning 110 games. Bottom line the White Sox have every opportunity to have a good minor league system, to sign high quality free agents to provide depth (instead of stiffs, has-been's and retreads) instead they take a half ass money driven approach. There's a saying in the Bible...you reap what you sow (and that includes in my opinion an incompetent medical, conditioning and training staff)

Yawn….maybe say these things in May….not with 2 days left in August. We’ve watched all year and it’s been the same crap, so now your “angry”. (Insert Joe Kelly pout face)

The sad reality is they are still in it. I have not been excited about this team since the beginning of last offseason that saw no moves and then a lockout. It soured my view and nothing has changed it. I got a little excited after the early start of 5-3 or 6-4 or whatever but since the first losing streak in April I have no faith. They should fire Tony install Maddon or Guillen to simply get the process going. This should have happened in mid-May or at worst when the schedule got easier. Losing 3 of 4 should have ended it and if getting swept at home v AZ didn't wake anyone open, nothing will. There is some BS going on with this organization and the fans are paying dearly. I had a 20 game plan, I went to the first 9 and am just blowing off he last 11. I don't ever give them away. I can walk to the games so I spend nothing on them but time but do not even want to give them that. I hate this organization so much right now I am not certain I could even be considered a fan. I have been to 40 opening days in my 46 years of living and have had season ticket plans of various degrees every year since 2000.

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But what WAR did you expect from Yaz? What did you expect from Leury? The team wasn't counting on Leury to be valuable (well at least we as fans weren't). But this team needed Yaz to be valuable. And Yaz is -1.2 in bWAR. Yaz makes 13 million more this year than Leury. There has to be a sliding scale in how they are measured.

Leury becasue LaRussa puts him in positions to fail. He is a nice defensive player but has zero offensive skill. His home run in the playoffs last year is equal to Kerry Wood's in '03 I think it was. He is terrible but gets lucky once or twice a season.

The Sox are playing at half strength because they're inept at keeping their staff focused and healthy for a full season. What, did you think it was just a coincidence that all of the sudden a large portion of our starting lineup started getting hurt multiple times over the course of this (not even concluded) season? The trainers aren't respected by the players, so they're just half-assing their between game preparation. This isnt a serious baseball team, but guys like Hahn and TLR have convinced people like you that they are.

Then quit, you crusty old fuck.

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Sox should fire LaRussa and Menechino now so they can see how the team performs for a different manager and hitting coach in the last month of the season. It will give them some additional information when deciding what to do in the offseason.

One of the problems with Reinsdorf is he is a long time owner. I'm not sure of any other current hands-on owners have been around for 40 years. In the 80s, major league baseball was still fresh with the memory of an actual franchise bankruptcy in the seattle pilots. League health was a real concern, and even worse in his other franchise the NBA. Your location was everything. Jerry bought into the white sox as a baseball franchise, but was also buying into the MLB. And 40 years later I'm sure a lot of the ridiculous work he did to shore up the MLB leads to today's game. Your location is not near as important as it once was. National revenues, MLBAM at one point, and revenue sharing give every franchise an easy floor. Basic new owners are buying fun toys that may lose them some cash in any given year but have a steady appreciating asset that makes it no high-stakes purchase that will dent their wealth. Look no further than the LA dodgers sale earlier this decade, used and abused by a ridiculous owner in dire financial straights and divorce, forced to sell, somehow breaks all records and sells for 4 billion. Smart new owners are realizing they can use the power of the local popularity of sports teams to add layers of commerce and retail around their stadium like LIberty Media has done. But Jerry's focus has, since the mid-80s, prioritized "league health" (/sarcasm) over his own franchises competitive edge. He'll collude with other owners to keep salaries down. He'll go hard against the union and destroy one of his teams best chance at a world series and cancel a season. He'll refuse to let his org set markets on player contracts. He'll dictate to his org that they must not go over the recommended slot bonuses for the mlb draft. He won't let his team go big on international market until the new system was set, while, for instance, today's Rays were built on an incredible haul in 2014. And an owner whose teeth were cut seeing franchises actually get in trouble by overpaying for unproductive talent knows you don't overpay for 16 year olds. Stay out of that game. Millions for a high schooler? Remember Kris Honel? No, no, the game is won by ignoring the trends and just focusing on getting those tried and true productive players at your price. It's possible the league enters a different place at some point. That sports is no longer the holy grail of live viewing and gets split to death like all other content. And maybe then the current owners will turn to the wisdom of a JR. But instead it's just sox fans paying the price for an extremely outdated owner who is extremely arrogant about how excess can lead to pain for a franchise. Whose pain? Well the owners pain. Not really the fans.

Valid point. And why is it that we had to replace those players with Elvis, Leury and Adam? Because Hahn didn't do ANYTHING to improve this team since the 2020 off-season. Last year's trade deadline weakened the team. Nothing was done in the off-season to improve (I know we signed Ceuto, but that only came as an emergency move when Lynn got hurt. VV was Hahn's choice and he gave him a ML contract.) This trade deadline was nothing because Hahn gave away any valid trade pieces the last 2 years and our minor league system was at the bottom of baseball.

The only thing that would really concern me is that once again, the Sox would conduct a sham search instead of doing a legitimate one casting a wide net and see who would be interested...someone from outside "the family" with new ideas and a new way at looking at their issues.

Better and more exciting than MLB, by far, to me.

When you just don't play baseball well, that is a problem. By the way, I really think I have a problem. When he started talking about the schedule that was left, I thought "hey they do still have a shot at this. The Braves got hot at the end of the season last year." I need some sort of professional help.

I've bought up 30 Kelenic rookie cards. Gonna be able to retire at 35.

Come on, let's get real here (those voting for Leury). Despite dumbass Hahn giving him a 3 year deal, it's for $5.5 million per season. Grandal is making $18.5 million It's not even debatable here.

1. Rick Hahn and 1A. Tony La Russa, these players didn't just show up here out of the blue on their own. Bottom line is Lynn ($18.5M), Grandal ($18.3M), Moncada ($13.8M), Pollock ($11.0M), Graveman ($8.0M), Kelly ($8.0M) and Garcia ($5.5M) have a combined net fWAR of 0.0, and all but Grandal and Moncada were signed/acquired between July 2021 (Lynn) and Opening Day 2022.

Sorry couldn’t bring myself to vote for just one.

How in the world are we still referring to it as “the” problem? TLR is A problem. The offensive approach is A problem. The list is goes on and on and on.

Yes but it was Arizona not the Yankees or Houston and the Sox were at home, and even your statement that at full strength they wouldn't have swept us whilst true it would probably have been a split series.

They beat our second and third string players for the mist part. If we were at full strength, they would not have swept us. . You cannot replace TA and Elvis , Moncada with Leury, or Pantera with Engel and expect to win. You cannot start minor league pitchers and expect to win in August. The Sox are playing at half strength.

Difference between the 99 win team they should have been at this point in a rebuild and the 89 win team they are on paper? Rick Hahn. Difference between the 89 win team they are on paper and the 79 win pace they’re on right now? Coaching staff.

I have confidence they can dig an even deeper hole.

The Sox aren’t flushing their 1/4 CSN ownership down the toilet to chase down some hillbilly 30th tv market in the country. Las Vegas and Portland will also offer horseshit TV revenue. Montreal is the most viable city and baseball is not returning since Canadians aren’t building these billionaire fat cheapass fucks free stadiums.

Using Cease just to clear $12-13 million is nuts though, he’s worth $150-200 million to this franchise right now. If it was Lynn, Kelly, Hendriks, Grandal and Pollock, still wouldn’y do it.

So what would you like the Sox to look like in 2023? What improvements need to be made, who's in the dugout, who's the GM?

Hopefully they’ve finally learned that god damned lesson… doubt it.

You really wonder if in his heart of hearts Hahn regrets the comments he made saying that Sox fans want the rebuild to fail so they can say "I told you so." And then saying "talk to me after the parade. Pride goes before the fall the old saying says. This organization as I've tried to point out is awash in arrogance especially towards the fan base. Which makes no sense to me since in 41 seasons they haven't been that successful and you never insult the paying customers.

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This is where the media needs to talk about how being injury prone as a collective group for 2 years in a row is something that's systematic.

As Tony says, looking at results is too easy. Leury hit a foul ball. That was great.

I am very much looking forward to watching Justin Fields this season. I know they weren't facing all 1st teamers, but it really was swell seeing that kind of Bears football for a change. Nice D as well. Bear Down!

10th time this year the Sox had a lead in the 7th inning or later and lost the game. 65th time in 128 games played they scored three runs or less, 51% of all games.

Seby has hit into one double play this year, Leury has six.

Haha fuck you Tony

Is Jake Burger hurt, or does he hit homers too frequently for the White Sox taste?

I believe someone predicted this a few pages back…

It doesn't matter. Jerry will blame it on injuries and the only one to get fired will be a clubhouse attendant. And the only reason he'll get fired is because he threw out a roll of tape that still had 3/4" of useful tape left. This organization is the epitome of Bush League.

Good bye Sox & Go Bears!

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What was that about the White Sox having the easiest post All Star Game schedule in MLB?

DBacks hadn’t swept anybody since 2019.

No way in hell you can bring any of these decision makers back. This is an epic failure.

Haha Leury batting for Seby. God I love this shit

What have you seen through the first 128 games of the year from a team that is .500 (if they win today) and think they are going to magically put it together the final 34 games of the year to win the division let alone do anything in the playoffs??

34 games left. This team isnt winning anything.

Worst part about the TLR hire is Reinsdorf and La Russa thought it would work. They wanted to cement Tony's legacy. Instead they've razed it to the ground.

It's almost as if this team lacks an effective manager to get them in the right mindset.

JR should have a mantle in every room of his homes dedicated to Michael Jordan. If he didn't inherit him when he bought the Bulls, he would be sitting on 1 Championship in almost 80 combined years as a pro franchise owner.