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Welp… I sure am glad to have decided to take hi8is jr to the Dodgers game tonight instead of watching this horse s%*#. Dude. I can’t believe my son and I were there live when Pujos hit 699 and 700. The little guy talked me into going to get nachos in the third inning… so when Albert hit 700, we got to celebrate in that line. ? About 20 seconds before he hit it I sent my best friend this text: “I’m in line to get nachos for 20 bucks and Pujos is up again already. So he’ll probably do it now that we’re not watching.” Three minutes later… CRACK! Fucking priceless.

Sox medical staff and Hahn should be replaced based on this perplexing handling of Robert. Absolutely absurd.

Diekman was trash before the Sox traded for him. And the Sox chose to sign Kelly knowing he was hurt. Both horrendous moves at the time they were made.

If he needed rest why did it take a month to IL him? Rick Hahn retire b****

They completely screwed up Robert's season, just a complete clown show.

There are other ways of motivating players other than butt-kicking, but the very fact that they need butt-kicking in the first place sums up their lack of desire.

You can all bet your dicks that if they had swept Cleveland and they were in a position to get into the playoffs, he would have miraculously been cleared by the last series before the playoffs were to start.

LOL I wasn't saying Tim is going to be traded just that it was a possibility. No one is untouchable . When I was asked who would play SS the correct answer should've been how the heck would I know , but I gave him an example.

The idea that a team could spend this much money and disappoint this badly again and the GM could have this terrible of a record and they just say ho-hum everything is going to plan is just baffling.

Knowing our luck we will end up with Chris Getz as GM and Willy Harris as Manager

He just isn't the guy for this team. But it also reveals that it isn't all on Tony.

I’m not questioning your locker room credentials I’m questioning your blanket biased statement. Perhaps they should bring in a bunch of thugs like the NFL. In between drug suspensions and off the field criminal activities you better have a deep bench of them.

Bellinger and I guess Manaea.

Only 4 game sample size but after 2 HR's and a double today Colas' line is .389, .421, .778, 1.199

Looks like Colas hit 2 HR's and a double . 3/5 now . If my calculation are correct his line is .389, .421, .778, 1.199 in the 4 game sample size.

The Sox need to hire a permanent TV PBP man. I don't think Benneti logged 100 games this year.

The Sox will never run short on f*** yous to their dwindling fan base.

What Francona has done with a 66 million payroll (27th ranked), youngest team in baseball and brought up 14 rookies to their big league roster; is nothing less than brilliant. Oh btw, for those us that complained that the reason the Sox offense was so poor, was due to a lack of home runs...well guess what...Cleveland is 29th in home runs. Go figure! I guess there are other ways to win baseball games! I guess that might be referred to as smart baseball fundamentals.

The bad White Sox season is limping to a close, maybe the team can put together a small winning streak to end somewhat on a positive note.

A talent evaluator brought into the FO would be a welcome addition. We obviously aren't very good at that.

Hiring Mike Chernoff from Cleveland and making him President of Baseball Ops would be a massive HOME RUN and the start of building the White Sox into a championship team and one of the greatest executive moves in White Sox history. Chernoff checks all the boxes. 1. Graduated from Princeton University with a degree in Economics. 2. Played shortstop at Princeton 3. Took an internship with Cleveland, right after graduating from Princeton. As a result, he has risen through the Cleveland organization from the ground floor level performing all type of FO duties. His first job - Intern to Asst. GM - He was responsible for starting the analytics dept. which Cleveland did not have. - Assisted in trade negotiations and arbitration dealings. - Interacted with pro scouts and input their reports into the organization's system - Assisted in just about every major FO activity As a result, was hired and promoted full time in the following roles: - Asst. Director of Baseball Ops - Director of Baseball Ops - Asst. General Manager - General Manager The accomplishments: - Has the youngest baseball team in MLB (Only two players over 30 yrs old) - Promoted 14 rookies to big league roster, #1 most rookies in 2022 - Working with the 27th ranked payroll (66 million) - Produced first place 84-67 W-L division record - Built the #3 ranked farm system It's really simple! You take Chernoff who has performed all the necessary front office critical duties in a winning organization, where they didn't have the money to spend and had to be great at scouting, drafting and developing their prospects in the farm system...and then you let him actually spend serious money, like a team in the #3 largest market should be spending...and you have the start of something BIG! I know Reinsdorf is probably too demented, ignorant and stubborn to see this logic and make this kind of bold move, but this kind of move is so desperately needed. The fact is, this major FO move needs to occur long before you can talk about all your trades, FA signings, arbitration signings, bringing up players from the farm system, etc. Since this loser owner isn't going anywhere until he dies, you need to get this organization FIXED at the TOP and work down! Note to Jerry: this guy would need 100 percent control without you getting at all involved, other than you handing him his total budget and payroll!

Yes, and this is just an indication of how this situation was botched. This team is so poorly run and needs a strong manager in the dugout badly. Preferably, a manager with experience and no ties to the White Sox.

I don't think we necessarily disagree here, but are looking from different points of view. To me, the White Sox chose to enter the season with little to no depth. That is on them. What I'm saying is, I don't want to hear the White Sox whining about injuries, when they 100% chose to go down this road with an injury prone roster and little to no depth to back it up.

Dodgers announced tonight that Kimbrel has been demoted from the closer role. Another great Hahn talent evaluation that doesn’t pan out albeit in another team.

Who fucking cares

And you surmised all that because he didn’t give you a Twitter thread on Tony La Russa’s DUI arrest 2 years ago. Just LOL.

Its impressive how you twist every single post into an attack on Tony regardless of the context. For a guy who hasn’t even coached the team in a month now, its getting a little concerning. Find some new material.

My plan? Sit around, do nothing, wait for baseball and complain about everything the entire winter. Probably drink some beer while I am at it.

It has been an organization wide problem for decades. Ricky held players accountable, but was allegedly fired in part because he team did not improve with fundamentals. Tony was supposed to do improve fundamentals and hold players accountable, but did neither. Unwritten rules bullshit (Yermin, Bean Balls) and taking care of his guys were the only things Tony cared about during his tenure. The team regressed in defense, baserunning and opponent scouting and game plans under Tony. Veterans openly stated they were ignoring Tony, were playing whether Tony penciled them in the lineup or not. Younger players followed suit. Eloy says f*** DH, it's for old fat guys (check the mirror Eloy). See also Moncada's "efforts". Fans and media have blamed players for arrogance and reading their own press clippings (Tim "We're the best fucking team"), but the arrogance starts at the top with Rick Hahn. He had two smart moves in a decade; acquiring and flipping Adam Eaton, and convincing Jerry to pawn off the players inherited from Kenny to get a rebuild and several more accountability free years of employment via tanking/rebuild. Hahn has no demonstrable baseball acumen, ability to construct a roster, or hire people who can evaluate and develop players and trade/draft targets beyond Marco Paddy (also inherited from Kenny). Couple that with Jerry's arrogance and penny pinching that stole from Paddy's budget to save a few hundred thousand here and there on contract buyouts or trade acquisitions. Jerry also has starved the future pipeline by dumping a large portion of the scouting organization in 2020 and eschewing investing in analytics beyond hiring Tony's friend's son as a favor to Tony. Despite several years of high draft picks, the Sox farm system is once again bottom five in baseball. The Sox are also bottom five in scouting, training, strength and conditioning, talent development, talent evaluation (internal and external), defensive positioning, analytics, draft performance, free agent acquisitions, fundamentals, defensive metrics, plate discipline, advance team scouting and opponent game plans. It's also a bottom five destination for free agents beyond players seeking their last contract with nowhere else to go. Players around the league talk and note the bullshit, be it the pre-tanking Sox with LaRoche and other crap, or the past few years with Tony. Same thing happened to the Bulls with Jerry overseeing the day to day, solid veterans refused to come despite cap space, the ones who did had no better alternatives (winning or basketball culture) due to the dysfunctional incompetent organizational mess over the past few decades. This is a reflection of Jerry. his permanent FO righthand men, and his crony managerial hire that blew up in his face. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18, KJV Go Blow Rick!

Raw talent with no refinement. Bad habits allowed to persist. Lack of leadership to tell players otherwise AND hold them accountable.

KC and Detroit making front office moves, at least trying ... unlike this p.o.s. organization. Rick Hahn, worst GM in sports

Is the biggest problem with the White Sox actually a lack of talent or a lack of desire? Many of the players on the roster and in the system have or had the raw talent to be MLB players at a good level, I know the gaps at 2B and RF were not adequately addressed but the basic talents of these players projects to a much better season than this, most people at the start of the season were still predicting the Sox would win the Division. Even players like Moncada when he was acquired projected better than he has achieved, and so many players who come to the Sox as established MLB players perform below their career stats once on the South Side. Which leads me to think that the bigger problem is desire. The desire issue runs throughout the organisation not just the players. Does JR and do the FO really want to win another World Series? Are they really all in as a slogan from previous seasons said? As for the players, are they too comfortable and just happy to be MLB players, do they really have that burning desire to achieve. How many times have we heard this season one of the players say 'the season starts now', shortly to be followed by another abject collapse? How many of the injuries are really just accidents or caused by a lack of application to strength and conditioning over the off season. something that a player who really wants to achieve would apply themselves to wholeheartedly, example being Lance Lynn and his attitude to training. The Sox strike me as being happy go lucky in attitude, it would be nice to win something but hey we are in the Big League and still getting paid. Sorry for the long winded post!

Problem is, while I fundamentally agree, what good would it do to banish them to a place where they’re not going to have any sort of reinforcement of good habits? One problem is that players don’t get that sort of training in the minors, so what good does it really do other than to serve s as punitive punishment? It’s like telling someone they’re doing something wrong, but never telling them what is the right thing to do. Yeah, you hope they can figure it out, but it’s also on you for not showing some sort of direction.

Until I looked at the date I thought Stone was talking about due process for Tony's managerial record this season and was really confused.

I get it. What else is he supposed to say? "yea, we're horse s%*#, but we gotta fill out 162... you think we're gonna win another game ever?"

Has to do with Steve Stone's arrogance, lack of accountability and following through, but OK.

John Rooney with the call. https://omny.fm/shows/cardinals-conversations/albert-pujols-hits-his-700th-career-home-run-vs-th

Yeah, probably right here but guy might be willing to get outta this org and take a small pay cut to go elsewhere lol. Reylo in the pen too. Forgot him.

I'm still waiting for Steve to "tell us what he thinks" about Tony's latest publicly known DUI.

Still waiting for Stone to be condescending to fans who were right about this team from April on.

The Whole Sox team has mailed it in. Can’t even beat the awful Tigers at home. We suck and it is a major embarrassment to the team and the fans. Some heads have to roll. The decision to bring in the rookie Lambert to protect a 3-1 lead in the 7 th against the Guardians, having ReyLo available turned out to be the worst decision of the year, and shut the door on the Sox season. Even Cairo admitted it was a mistake. Too many. Unforced errors this season.

Too many guys are mentally soft. Then pen wasn't great last year either.

I'd try to get Yoan to use a leg kick and stride. Get his body moving in motion generate some pop. He rarely moves his feet.He can't keep doing what he's doing. He's so still until he swings and makes no effort to reach or adjust if he's fooled.

He’ll be a better hitter when he’s not thinking about playing LF or RF every day. Stick him at 1b for 155 games.

And how slow our runners are. Almost impossible to get an infield hit, avoid a double play, go from 1st to 3 rd on a base hit, getting to catchable balls in the outfield, executing a hit and run, etc. and comparing to the Guardians we are a bad joke.

They suck specifically in ways that are coachable. Fundamentals. Approach. Motivation. Focus. Energy.

My wife informed me I was being too harsh when I suggested this team had no pride....I disagree....60% desire 40% talent

1. Sign Rick Hahn to a long term deal. 2. Announce TLR is fully healthy and ready to roll in the Spring. 3. Announce Jerry Reinsdorf has the cardiovascular system of a 30 year old and is lookin forward to several White Sox WS championships before he turns 100. This would be a perfect offseason imo because it would grant me license to stop caring about this sickly, broken organization and let me go root for the Guardians or something.

The problem is Jerry. I have no doubt that the FO have concerns with Abreu and his lack of power. Hell, they have a more than capable replace staring them in the face with AV. Jerry stepping in like he did last time or finally sitting on the sidelines will be the determining factor on what happens with Jose.