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We are the dumbest organization in baseball.

Maybe some of the Reinsdorf water carriers should notice his way doesn’t work.

Fucking awful. This POS needs to be locked up in the retirement home already. Keep him away from this team for fucks sake.

If true, what an awful idea and slap in the face of your new manager.

Complete 180 from “f*** the homerun”

Or maybe, just maybe, the organization should be less blatantly stupid.

What. The. f***. This org simply can't get out of its own way.

It does seem like the new coaches are really plugged into the modern game. A rather refreshing change from the asinine, antiquated, and ass-backwards approach of the previous regime.

New article today in The Athletic: "We're not up there trying to hit singles" https://theathletic.com/4032036/2022/12/27/white-sox-hitting-coaches-approach-2023/ Both of the hitting coaches are quoted: Johnson/Castro and "field coordinator" Tosar is tied in. The three all live close to each in FL. Approach is analytical game preparation. Castro : “The numbers are there, the analytics, and we use them. But once you step into the batter’s box, it’s about competing. We’ve already planned for this starting pitcher. We’ve seen his stuff, we know what the stuff does. Now we have a plan. Chris Johnson. “We’re not up there trying to hit singles, we’re not up there (searching) for the baseball. We’re up there expecting this pitch to be right where we want it, and we’re gonna let it go.” I also liked: "All three men live close enough to each other in Florida that Oscar Colás and Romy Gonzaalez's thrice-weekly visits to Tosar’s house in Miami for cage sessions so far this offseason have provided a forum for the coaches to share drills...."

I think this was official long ago.

As I've always said, if you're going to troll, at least try and put some effort into it. This is just such laziness, it's gross.

Yeah there is nothing more a new manager wants than the old failed manager around “helping” him out.

As far as I am concerned, the window is shut because I am convinced the FO is not committed to making this an elite American League franchise.

I don’t think some people realize how big of a deal it is getting rid of Menechino and replacing him with three hitting coaches who want to establish a modern approach. We saw the impact in small samples last year after players were sent down to AAA and got to work with Chris Johnson. For example, Gavin Sheets’ wRC+ against RHP went from 83 prior to his demotion to 122 once he had a chance to work with Chris. His improvement was supported by a much more pull heavy approach and harder contact, which resulted in a much improved HR/FB rate and 50% gain in ISO. Just from the eye test you could see he looked more dangerous at the plate. I don’t expect this new trio to be miracle workers, but when the predecessor was completely incompetent and actively making our hitters worse, it’s not hard to expect massive gains from our core hitters next year.

One was a free agent and the other was controllable for 3 more years.

Some of these teams are so dumb, actually spending money on depth. They clearly don’t trust their training staff.

A very special "30 for 30" episode airing soon...."Why White Sox fans continue to support a team that has never won a World Series?!?"

You can't win the division in Spring Training....I just hope you can't lose it.

He wasn’t fired though. No doubt in my mind he would have returned if not for the health issue.

An orderly transition.....A courtesy to the new Manager who may have requested this.

Every article about the difference between last year and upcoming is like Fegan taking a giant dump on TLR's head...and I love it. what an absolute disaster we lived through

For me personally, just the thought of LaRussa not being there in 23, lifts my spirits . after so much optimism and enthusiasm entering spring training, last season was pretty devastating, so i'm hesitant to to believe . that being said, all of this is very exciting.

Alot of these models are also assuming that the Guardians were not a 2 month flash in the pan. I remain far from convinced everything is going to go right for Cleveland yet again in 2023.

I'm also bullish on Romy, I've defended him in the past and I'll continue to be an advocate because his profile is exciting. Small sample but take this from baseball savant: 2022, minimum 100 PA, add a few interesting columns and sort by hard hit%. Romy's 2022 profile was extremely similar to 2022 Ronald Acuna who had a .366 xwOBA. Please for the love of god lets get that launch angle up. That's seriously what so many dudes of this team need, a focus on pulling the ball in the air with authority. If Romy can get that Avg LA into the double digits he's going to do a lot of damage. His all around speed, in limited sample, is very similar to Jose Ramirez and Trevor Story as well. He showed just as much speed last year as Christian Pache and Vidal Brujan.

Oh I don’t think anyone is penciling them in. A lot has to go right but they do have a bunch of talent. They absolutely can win the division. I don’t know that they’ll be considered favorites to do so though. There are better teams than them for sure. The best team in baseball finishes with the best record after 162. The winner of the tournament wins the World Series though. This year, the best team won the title. Philadelphia got there though. Atlanta won it in 2021. It happens. Get into the playoffs, variance sets in, professional athletes get hot and anything can happen because it’s such a small sample.

One of my all time favorite Sox, but Hall of Very Good.

The problem is even it shouldn't even be believable, yet it 100% is.

Can you imagine if a car company said “we’ll make good cars once people start buying them”?

Until told otherwise, I continue to believe that something big happened which caused the need for him to be gone immediately. Too much stuff happened too quickly that didn't make sense put together. Obviously the Sox don't care who they hire at the same time, but hopefully the full story leaks out one day.

Oh there are worse, but dumber is a different story. Look the A's get their place in the world, and are doing what they can to make it work. The Pirates are cheapest organization in pro sports. The Orioles are a one man disaster. But none of them decided to put a guy like Tony in charge when they were trying to get to a World Series.

Unpossible.

He is going to just be an honorary turd and remind the guys oh s%*# - we got it good now in Pedro.

42 year old Rich Hill gets 8 million... Teach your kids to throw lefty people.

You have to imagine the Sox would be pretty attractive landing spots for milb guys with the Sox having literally no depth anywhere ---- SP, OF and middle IF don't need much to go wrong to have an MLB role.

I just think these projections are kind of meaningless. They don’t account for the impact of moving away from our previous lifeless manager with a guy who will have players prepared and focused, they don’t account for the impact of replacing a hitting coach whose motto was “f*** the HR” with three modern instructors who will help our players tap into their raw power, and they don’t account for our new training staff finally having an off-season to work with our guys and find ways to keep them healthier over the course of a season. So you can continue to pound table and scream that we’re way behind the Guardians as we head into next year, but I’ll continue to point out that all these protection systems miss context and do not realize how incompetent certain elements of this org were the last two seasons. Whatever these models are spitting out, I’d add at least a good five wins on top of that.

Really liked this. Maybe the most maddening thing about the '22 team was the uncompetitive ABs due to weak contact early in the count, they were up there protecting in 0 and 1 strike counts and it led to a fuckload of weak groundballs.

That's all you need to say.

They still need to make a couple moves just to win the division, IMO. Cleveland is a much better run organization and for as cheap as we are, they can actually make do on an even tighter budget just fine. We just waste money on clowns and crap. They need to get maximum value ASAP from one of Hendriks, Giolito or Anderson to kind of reload the cupboard. Chicago isn't a bad team, but I wouldn't exactly automatically pencil them in to win the division, without doing more, even if they end up much healthier than last year.

This board, quite honestly, is a huge part of what keeps me coming back as a fan. Being here since the beginning, and 20 years almost, that’s been a HUGE part of my Sox fandom. I loathe almost everything about the organization, because of the ownership and front office. But, I hope against hope, that our team defies what we all know is going to happen, and surprise everyone once again.

No need to alter the thread title at least.

There is no window except one toward mediocrity. Sox proved they realize they are blah middle of the road with their choice as manager and by getting rid of their best hitter. Folks, Pedro is not going to lead us to the division title. Sox lineup is relying on oft-injured guys like Tim, Eloy, Robert, plus Vaughn, Moncada et. all. The window is slammed shut. Only 'special players' are Cease and Liam. This team blows, folks.

Even the Astros weren't a "should win 100 games" team last year. They needed a rookie SS a 2nd year CF (who had barely ever been in their top 20 listings), a young pitcher who had been in the pen the prior year and a return of big-time Verlander. And to me, the Sox hope is a similar prescription. A young RF, a young 2B, some injection of youth into the pitching, especially as the season goes on, etc.

If the White Sox are AL Central contenders, they’re also World Series contenders. It’s the nature of the sport. Win the division, get into the tournament and see what happens.

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So Longenhagen goes by Future Value. I just think a 50 FV reliever isn’t the same thing as a 50 FV outfielder. He does

Yes and no. Sort of my point. They are not the Astro or the Dodgers. But I think, with the improvement as I stated I expect to happen, I think they are the Phillies.

I know you probably talk to AJ every day and he told you the exact reason he left and of course it’s because the White Sox are so terrible in every way and not worth the time and effort, even though you seem to spend hours a day telling us how everything they do is wrong. But maybe the White Sox told him he was going to be a slightly used back up, which really could have hindered his earning potential after 2023. To be honest, if it was me I still would have taken the $13 million. But that is one of many reasons he may have turned down the option. It doesn’t always have to be the White Sox are so terrible in every way…..