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Who in there right mind would wanna come to this s%*# show org?

Oh you sweet summer child ?

This GM has such a consistent historic record of f***ing up this exact decision that I will believe it when I see it. 2015, the team is 10 games below .500 in June and 11 games back in the division. A winning streak brings them to 5 under by early July and Rick Hahn declares “if we keep playing like this we’ll be right there at the end”. He sells no deadline pieces, including Samardzija who was an upcoming free agent. They finish in 4th place, 10 games under .500 and 19 back in the division. They don’t learn their lesson one bit, double down on that roster being one player away with Frazier the next offseason. When that team hit on a huge losing skid in May, they double down again by trading for Shields. They finally at the deadline basically stand pat, I think they sent one lefty reliever out. Oh and they draft a closer in the first round because maybe he can help the 2016 bullpen. 2022 they look hopeless but they’re bouncing between 3 and 6 games back in the division in July. If they don’t clear money it could seriously hurt 2023s roster. They add a lefty reliever at the deadline and finish 11 games back. Between Hahn’s foolishness and stubbornness, and maybe his sycophantic unwillingness to tell Reinsdorf bad news, he has stood firm in worse, more difficult positions than this one. A couple wins and he might be 4 games back again, even while still in fourth place. They have a long and consistent record of burying their heads in sand and declaring everything is fine In exactly this situation. So, I Will believe they will make a correct decision when they have made it, not before.

This type of talk is disgusting to me as a fan. Playoffs? Cmon. This team reeks. We need a video of Mora yelling bout 'playoffs. Our fave team is seriously flawed. It's not a playoff team even in the Central. There's no way a person with a functioning brain can seriously entertain playoffs. Cmon.

This. I really do believe he wants to go to a franchise that is ready to win, and is dedicated to winning. It's part of the reason it seems like LAA isn't going to keep him. I really believe if the Sox were the highest bidder, and not something like 100 million+ over the highest bidder, Ohtani would pick Option 2 over the Sox. If you signed Ohtani, kept Giolito as well...I STILL don't think this team is very good. That's how far off they are.

I doubt there is enough money on the planet to get him to sign here. The range he is going to sign for is so ridiculous that his next six generations of family at least will be well taken care of. So he can give up a little to avoid playing for this poorly performing franchise in a location that probably has no appeal to him and not feel it at all.

They offer: $600 million A unique Ohtani-themed home run celebration feature Re-theme the FUNdamentals deck to "Ohanti's SHO-Time Theater for Kids" Dedicated Japanese broadcast A live orchestra performs his walk-up music.

Exactly. Not even worth discussing. Dodgers or Giants, in my opinion.

Exactly. No quality FA would ever want to come here until we have different ownership.

The Dodgers active payroll goes from about $229M in '23 to about $110M in '24. Difficult to imagine he lands anywhere else.

I'm still rooting for you to get that interview.

You have a better chance of hitting the Mega Millions & Powerball than the White Sox signing Ohtani.

I think Ohtani will sign with the Sox, but I also heard he might sign with one team as a hitter and another team as a pitcher in order to maximize his value. (green)

I think the Rangers are just trying to get to the end of the game for the late night travel.

Hahn was talking about digging themselves out of a hole. If you fell into a hole, would you ask for a shovel to get out? Digging gets you a deeper hole.

Right plus it also puts more money in JR's coffers so a complete tear down money saving direction may not be as necessary. The real tricky part is how do u make the playoff as bad as the Sox are right now while still trading away the 1 year assets ? No depth to starting pitching so who take Gio's place in the rotation who isn't way worse ? The offense is bad and removing Grandal takes away another LH bat and OBP guy, although not much for walks this year but higher batting average than usual. Middleton has helped solidify the BP but BP arms will be in demand and Sox might gut the pen also. Anyway they aren't making the playoffs but as usual the Sox will delay the inevitable as long as possible and inevitably make poor decisions. Th right decisions isn't that clear but whichever road they choose will be the wrong one. Hahn has the magic touch for mediocrity and less.

All right so I couldn't take the time to write this on the phone. I can't get over how unbelievably nuts the White Sox's treatment of this pitcher has been. Let's just spell all this out. 1. This pitcher has played for the University of Tennessee in 2018-2019. He threw 63 then 65 innings in those seasons, respectively, with 1/3 of his outings being starts. He is a lefty throwing 100 mph. He throws 3 innings in the 2020 season due to COVID shutdowns, and thus he has thrown 130 innings in 3 years. The White Sox draft this guy 11th overall, giving him a multi-million dollar bonus. They take this valuable pitcher who hasn't thrown in a year, send him to their training camp site, and immediately bring him up into a big league playoff race where they make the 11th pick in the draft into a middle reliever/2nd lefty. He is put into a playoff game and leaves with an elbow injury. 2. This pitcher comes into 2021, coming off an injury, with a dramatic velocity drop, averaging 97 mph rather than 100. The White Sox ignored this velocity drop and put him back in the bullpen for a year. They turn their 11th pick into the draft into a middle reliever, burning a year pre-arbitration in the bullpen. 3. The pitcher, unsurprisingly, hurts his elbow. When he comes back, he is brought back to the big leagues only 13 1/2 months after Tommy John Surgery - most pitchers who have this surgery have at least several months longer than this. His minor league rehab stint is...6 innings. He is immediately put back into the big league bullpen, where he throws terribly for a month without being sent down or given a break, and then he is put out to pitch on a day where his velocity is clearly down to the low 90s. He isn't pulled out of the game and takes the loss. He is revealed to have been pitching with shoulder pain, and they give him a cortisone shot. Just read through this, can anyone actually believe this? It's controversial to draft closers in the first round, this team took a #11 pick with very little work and immediately shoved him into the bullpen as a middle reliever. Teams take great efforts to avoid pushing their draftees too far too fast, the White Sox had this guy in a playoff clinching game after throwing 9 innings in 2020. Teams get really nervous if guys show velocity drops, the White Sox had no issues with it. Teams are careful with guys coming off of Tommy John Surgery, the White Sox said "we need our middle reliever now!". If I had to guess, I'd say that literally every one of the other 29 teams would have treated this guy differently at each of those three decision points. If anyone develops multiverse travel, I'd love a trip to a universe where someone else drafted this guy, because this just seems nuts when you go through it.

JR almost choked when he gave Michael Jordan, a guy that literally made him hundreds of millions $30 million for 1 year. He isn't going to pay Ohtani what it takes, and from what Ozzie hears, he has no chance anyways. Ohtani wouldn't mind playing for the Cubs, but thinks it's too cold in Chicago.

Don't think you can overstate this. They have the money, they have the west coast access to Japan. I'd say they are like 3-1 favorites against the rest of MLB to sign him.

Sox weather is warmer since they're further south, so I'd say we're still in play

Grifol on Moncada to DVS of the Sun-Times: " It could be 10 days, it could be two weeks. I don't have an answer." (Moncada isn't expected back until after the All-Star break...if then.) Other injury news: Grandal scratched from Wednesday's game (sore knee), Crochet got a cortisone shot isn't expected back for two or three weeks and Anderson hasn't played since the weekend in the field but they still haven't put him on the IL. What an operation...?

Boy's this organization sucks, and IMO will never get better. 2005 was a lucky flash-in-the-pan season and is unlikely to happen again with the current management group. I kept to my word this year and have not been to a home game this season after cancelling my 3 seat 20-game plan that I had since the beginning of the rebuild. I visited Yankee stadium instead this year and was lucky enough to see the Tuesday night game thru the smoke before Wednesday game was cancelled. What a great experience, there were almost 40,000 at the game yet no lines for bathrooms, beer or concessions. The people in our section and at the game were very friendly, all in all a great time especially since the Sox won. This Sox team is in decline, our scouting, training, player development, and overall management suck, even our minor league SS Colson has been injured most of the year. I also think it's time to stop giving Marco Paddy credit for the Cuban talent he has brought up. Others teams have had more success than the Sox in that regard, think Randy Arozarena, Yuli Gurriel, Yordan Alvarez, Yandy Diaz, Aldo's Garcia....the list goes on over 40 players and yet not many Sox players on it that are actually reliable except for ex-sox Jose. I still check in here from time to time and will start watching most games, but the days of me watching every inning of bad baseball is over. Take care my friends and pray for another lucky 2005 but just don't count on it.

Baseball America summarized movement in each team's top 30 prospect list. See below for the blurbs. Up: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/players-making-significant-jumps-up-june-top-30-prospects-lists/ Down: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/players-making-significant-moves-down-june-top-30-prospects-lists/

The ONLY thing that would work is bringing in Garcia, Contreras and all those 9-10 buy low free agents and Bobby Jenks after dumping three big salaries like the 2004-05 cycle. Sox simply don't have the prospects to dream of pulling off the equivalent of a Freddy Garcia trade unless it's moving core pieces off the current roster that would cripple the depth.

No those were the biggest one year improvements in baseball history. There's not going to be a clear answer because you haven't previsely defined solid system or high priced free agents. The 1997 and 2003 Marlins tend to fit one of each, for example. But you should specify Top 5 Baseball America farm system or Top 10 and free agent spending in inflation adjusted dollars with a base year at least. Let's say the equivalent of at least $150 million in future contracts for one offseason? $500 million in new spending over 3? It's way too vague.

Baltimore 45-28 and currently in the playoffs and their entire roster cost less than Andrew Benintendi.

Plus the White Sox are so desperate for DHs that the fit from signing another one is perfect.

I have to give the White Sox credit. It’s really not easy to be as f’d up as they are given the talent level.

I feel like a lot of people in Spring Training thought this guy would be a coach or even manager (can't quite remember) somewhere when he retires. If people think that highly of him, doesn't it make sense to maybe have a guy like that on at least your bench? Especially on a team which seems to lack baseball IQ? Granted, I'm not sure if anyone in the front office has really thought or said that. Edit: having said that, I would rather see Popeye play every day while he is here.

Probably not but you never know. I would bet that no one thought Middleton or Santos would be useful this year and they are basically 2 of our best relievers.

He had a pretty middling start for the Guardians...or whatever team had just recently claimed him this year. Pretty sure if they were absolutely in love with him after watching firsthand they wouldn't have let him go to bring up Gavin Williams, with Triston McKenzie already out another 4-6 weeks and possibly the entire season. Has been with three teams the past 1 1/2 seasons.

What is it about the Sox that brings out angry comments from managers and coaches (remember Coop?) and players once in a while. Our fans are mild compared to other fans of losing teams. A first-year manager is comfortable enough to say that about bring it to Jerry if u don't like it? That's pretty screwed up. Pedro isn't exactly Tom Lasorda. Jerry should axe him and promote Ozzie. Why not? The media has changed, They're not going to have anybody blast Oz for his former comments. It's Oz time whether some of u like/realize it or not. Pedro's comment does nothing to make anybody think he's capable.

You rooting for high draft pick? That's an exercise in futility often, specially with Sox scouts. They'll take a stud pitcher who'll get hurt like they all do. Or a Burger-esque hitter. love me some Burger but his average is down to .230 and his penchant for swinging too much annoys.

18,962 plus one disappointed Wagner in attendance tonight.

Consecutive series losses to Miami, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Texas.

This Touki cat might be useful, eh boys

No game thread? More proof fire Hahn

Unless he wants to make thoughtful, carefully scouted, well-negotiated trades, which he and the FO have the ability to do (but rarely bother to do), picking up scraps is all I want from him.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/minor-league-player-hit-514-135201216.html Jo Adell would be a legit buy lower trade candidate. Still a ton of bust potential but they need to take some chances with these upcoming trades.

The Rays signed a couple pitchers to minor league deals in the last week or so, too. Obviously the Sox org sucks ass from the top down, but this is the type of move any team makes throughout the season, particularly after a few injuries start piling up

Giolito will be gone. They’ll buy out Lynn for $1 mil. That leaves you with Cease, Kopech and Clevinger Then what? What free agent pitcher are they spending 100+ million on, and what historical data tells you they will? They’ll have a large hole at catcher and the FA market isn’t a good one. This team was built to compete for 4 seasons, 2020-2023. Per usual, they have one of the worst farm systems in baseball. The reinforcements aren’t coming from the farm. I know you are on some crusade to tell Soxtalk it’s boring to just be negative, but objectively speaking, there is no evidence to tell us 2024 will be any better than 2023 for the Sox. More likely will be worse.

Crazy that we are a few months from the end of Giolito’s rookie contract. Basically all the guys Hahn was praised for in those trades so long ago…it’s about to be 6 years, almost a billion dollars spent…and one first round exit. Things can change but that’s what it looks like. Incredible whiff on the whole rebuild idea.

Your best point is the hardest part is accepting this team sucks. I've accepted it, but it's sad and sucks! As die-hard fans, we tend to let our Sox fandom fantasize on the possible results which are totally unrealistic. On the flip side, let's look how the Sportsbooks view the Sox, as they are not biased and call it as it is. The White Sox to win the 2023 World Series is currently at +15,000. That is all anyone needs to know to keep in perspective the chances the Sox have going far in the playoffs. If anyone here still thinks they have a great shot, then my advice is drop some money right now on the Sox winning it all. A quick $1000 bet would net you $150,000 dollars, or $500 for $75,000. ?

There’s just zero reason to take a college corner. If Houck and Nimmala are off the board, I’d much rather go Jacob Gonzalez or Matt Shaw than one of the college corners. If you’re willing to take a corner, take Aidan Miller. This isn’t that hard. Here’s how I see it right now: the consensus top five will be gone. Let’s also say that Kyle Teel, Enrique Bradfield, Noble Meyer, Rhett Lowder and Chase Dollander are also off the board. That leaves one of these five players for the White Sox: Colin Houck, Arjun Nimmala, Jacob Gonzalez, Matt Shaw and Aidan Miller. One of them should be the pick.

If we could just get back to having an average GM, that would be progress. An average GM in the Chicago area, with moderate resources and the AL central as opponents, should be able to give you several competitive years in a stretch before a few lean and rebuilding years. We got that from Kenny Williams of all people, that’s not a ridiculous standard to hope for.

I really don’t know what to think about trading and rebuilds. At a minimum, we should trade our 1-year rental assets (Giolito, Grandal, Middleton, Looez and Andrus… if they are tradable… lol). On one hand you could claim it weakens us and we are only 5.5 games out of deplorable Central lead. You could also make the other case that removal of any 1-yr assets on a losing team may not really impact the bottom line of a team that is 12-games below 0.500. Plus any trade of those 1-yr players that possibly returns a controllable Starter close to MLB may help next season. Where I get confused is whether we should try a complete rebuild. I wasn’t there given the state of the Central this year and projecting forward. But the only way we gain actual talent in trades that will help us move forward is considering Robert, Cease, Kopech, etc. guys with length of contract that outperform or at least perform to their contracts. I just have the sense that even if we back into the playoffs somehow this year, it’s going to be a quick elimination. The only thing I know that we all can agree on, is it shouldn’t be Hahn making those decisions at this point.

You made a suggestion that Rick Hahn agreed with. This isn’t a compliment.

Next meh up!