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They want speed and athletcism yet the previous dumbfucks drafted Jacob Gonzalez over Enrique Bradfield. Reinsdorf fucked up so bad not firing those idiots in May.

Taking your son to see this White Sox team? Reported to DCFS for child abuse.

40th anniversary of clinching in 83. Wish they would retire the uniforms after tomorrow because enough is enough. But they won’t.

probably works if your kid is 87 and a delusional billionaire, too.

Have fun yall! I can't wait to take my son someday! Hopefully they'll be a good team by then.

I am going with my daughter to the game today. We had a great deal of fun going to the games when she was growing up. This bad team can't take that away.

Bring us a winner, hope your son becomes a Sox fan for life. I took my son to many games in the 70s, 80s and a few in the 90s before we moved to Florida but he never cared like I did. My first game was July 15, 1955 with my Cub Scout Pack and we sat right behind Minnie Minoso in left field and saw the Sox beat the old Washington Senators 5-4.

As horrible as this team and season are, what keeps me coming back is the bond that I’ve forever formed with my dad over our shared love for and agony over the Sox. It all started with me when I was about a month old at old Comiskey, and I hope this is the start of a wonderful series of memories for you guys as well.

The Chicago way also to bury this story, clamp down on the detectives and the CPD from pursuing this further. http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2023/09/seeing-cover-ups.html?m=1 The CPS teacher shooter is lying and not cooperative. Jerry is lying, and his security as seen throughout this season in various brawls is as shoddy as his on field product. If only this were a kid handing out free popcorn, Jerry and his security would have pounced on this instantaneously.

I don't think i've ever seen a 1 page game thread in all my years here. Sox are officially irrelevant. Nobody cares.

I’m scouring StubHub for tickets and parking passes. Looking for five tickets for something like $6-$20 each and a parking pass for around $16. Let’s see if good Cease shows up tomorrow and the Sox come alive so my son can experience a White Sox home run and winner. Let’s make it two in a row!

Offense looked worse in person. Vaughn looked like he had no clue. They honored the Winning Ugly team but hardly anyone responded. The place was so empty, and many people probably had no memory of the 1983 team. It was sad actually. That was a hell of a team. They mentioned LaRussa and Baines as Hall of Famers on that team but said nothing about Fisk who is also in the Hall of Fame. The Sox didn't even look competitive. I'll be surprised if they don't lose 100. The bottom of the lineup was nothing but automatic outs.

Trade keeps getting worse

Hmm hard choice watch Bears or Sox on computer . Guess I can have both on and see them both lose.

Yeah there is zero doubt at this point eberflus was a terrible hire. Only question is it poles should get to hire a second coach

It's so odd. I do wonder if it's overcoaching. He was not this gun shy/timid under Nagy his rookie season.

Southpaw takes pictures with kids on the fundamentals deck in the 5th. My boy always makes sure we get up there every game. In case you're interested...

Then he should shut the f*** up.

Ron Kittle's 83 jersey. When the Sox weren't a laughingstock and fans could be proud of them:

Can't argue with that and I'm not going around calling him "King Poles" and such. He has a lot to prove. But as we've seen across the NFL, when a new regime takes over, it's basically a given you're giving them 5 years to put a program together. Takes a year or so to get rid of the crap from the last group, then you start to build the foundation in Year 2-3, in Year 4-5 you better start competing. Poles is in Year 1.5. Now, I expected them to at the very least to be .500 this season. I thought a wild card was best case, but not impossible. Obviously that looks a lot different now, but I don't think that's on Poles, I would put him pretty far down the list right now. If I was in his shoes, given the situation, I gotta see if I have something in Fields. It tells me how I'm going to proceed moving forward. If he would have moved him in the offseason, you're trading an unknown asset. I know many had already made up their mind about Fields, but he was given a very shitty hand to this point. But the excuses stopped this season. Poles gave him the proper tools to work with. It's Year 3 now for Fields. This is it. And right or wrong, we're going to find out if Fields can play NFL QB for a contending team. Seems like he's sending us a pretty clear message after Week 2, but you still gotta find out.

The only thing worse than the 2023 White Sox are the hideous 1983 uniforms. Sad Jerry continues to ostracize Carlton Fisk, who was a far superior baseball player than Harold Baines. I loved Harold Baines, but Jerry even ruined that by conspiring with DUI Balco Guy to jam his crony BBHOF bullshit candidate down the garbage veterans committee’s throat. 1983 White Sox bWAR Leaders: 5.1 Richard Dotson 4.3 Carlton Fisk 4.0 Floyd Bannister 3.7 Dewey LaMarr Hoyt 3.6 Scotty Fletcher 3.2 Rudy Law 2.7 Vance Law 2.6 Salome Barojas 2.3 Greg Luzinski 2.2 Tom Paciorek 2.2 Harold Baines

They have to go 6-6 to keep from losing 100 games. Not a chance they won’t. I wonder if JR will finally sell if they lose 100 games in 2024 as well?

Popeye hit his first AAA HR in his first AB today, and his second 3 innings later. The latter scored Cespedes, who was on base after his 4th double in 6 games. Knights up 6-1. Honeywell has been pretty solid and started the 5th, but his velo was dipping. Got the hook after a 1 out double. Finished with 4.1IP, 2H, 1ER, 3BB, 4K. The hits were a solo shot and a 2B, but nothing else was hit hard. All the walks were in the first.

Yeah I believe in this logic too. If Fields fails, Poles can say: “Look i tried to give him the weapons to succeed!” It’s a safer bet for his job security than risking trading him and Fields developing into a great QB. Then at worst, Chicago drafts high again the following season with a better QB class.

First team in NFL history to lose 12 in a row abd give up at least 25 points in every loss.

Winning ugly is sweet…I guess. Thankfully they won’t have this relief pitching next year. Nice game for Touki, Anderson and Jimenez. Lets go get a win tomorrow so my son can experience a White Sox winner in person!

If your kid is under three, you can pretend the opposing team are the White Sox and celebrate a win. ? It would be hard for the Sox lineup to score a run over 36 innings. I’m able to remember the exact date of my first White Sox game because it was a rain shortened loss to the Yankees. Sox scored seven in the first, only to give up seven in the second and later lose. A totally White Sox experience. https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197607200.shtml

It was still a good trade. You didn’t know what you had in Fields. You got DJ Moore, along with two first rounders available to you in 2024. If Fields wasn’t the guy, it means the Bears are going to have a shitty record, so both picks should be fairly high. We also don’t know what the market was like for Fields.

Sounds fun taking your son. I'd just treat it as a minor league game where nobody really cares who wins.

That drive was such a perfect summation of him thus far. Makes some great throws, then looks like a high schooler. Those last few plays make me think he's just not the guy

September 17, 1955 – “Jungle” Jim Rivera was quite a character when he played for the White Sox and after a home run he hit in Kansas City helped the Sox beat the A’s 12-8 he made an impression on a former President and his wife. President Harry Truman and his wife Bess were frequent fans at Athletic games and after the game ended Rivera and teammate George Kell were outside the stadium when they noticed a crowd. They walked over and discovered it was the former President. Rivera asked him where his wife was and Truman said she was in the back seat of the car so Rivera leaned over and introduced himself by saying, “I’m sure sorry my home run beat your club but it was a helluva wallop eh, Bess?” September 17, 1971 - The White Sox defeated the California Angels 9-4 at Comiskey Park. An unusual event marked this game. All nine players in the White Sox lineup that night got one RBI, including pitcher Bart Johnson, who started, gave up eight hits and struck out 12 in going the distance. September 17, 1983 - Before a packed house at Comiskey Park, Harold Baines hit a sacrifice fly driving in Julio Cruz with the run that won the American League West title for the Sox as they edged Seattle 4-3. The Sox went to the playoffs for the first time in 24 years, drew a then record, season attendance of over two million fans and had the best record in baseball at 99-63. They’d win the division by a record 20 games over second place Kansas City. Baines drove in three runs that night and had a solo homer. September 17, 1984 - Harold Baines became the only player in franchise history to have more than one game with three home runs. Baines had his first three homer game in July 1982. On this day at Minnesota, he’d club three more in the 7-3 win. He’d drive in four RBI’s. September 17, 2007 - The Sox tied the club record for the most runs ever scored in the fifth inning of a game when they sent 11 guys home at Kansas City. In addition to the 11 runs, they also collected 10 hits and three homers, one each by Danny Richar, Jermaine Dye and Josh Fields. Richar, Jerry Owens and Fields all had two hits and Fields drove in four runs in the inning. Four times the Sox have scored 11 runs in the fifth inning in their history. This was the last time it had been done. September 17, 2020 – In the most bizarre, strange, unusual and “Twilight Zone”-like season because of COVID-19, the White Sox made the most of it clinching a spot in the expanded playoffs coming from behind to beat the Twins 4-3 getting two runs in the seventh inning to do it. The win ran the Sox record to 33-17 best in the American League on that date and put them in position to win their division for the first time since 2008, which was the last time the franchise made the postseason. They ended the shortened season a game behind Minnesota and lost to Oakland in the first round of the playoffs two games to one.

More speed & athleticism would be great, but plate discipline & power are far more glaring holes. And realistically, where is speed and athleticism an actual problem? Robert is an all-world athlete in CF. Moncada & Anderson are great athletes when healthy on the left-side of the infield. Colas is fairly athletic for a guy of his size. So basically that leaves LF and 2B where you have your highest paid player in franchise history (who doesn’t fit this new focus) and a kid who is one of our few major league ready young players. Honestly, they’re simply going to trade Eloy for a guy to replace Colas in RF and call it a day. Throw in a Perez trade and that’s your 2024 positional group.

I will make sure we get a first game certificate, a picture with his grandparents, his mom and I and my dad, son and I together. I bought lower deck seats on the cheap side even though I would have bought club level seats for what you paid given the team’s performance and the weather today. We are going to be up and moving around with him for much of the game so I thought as long as we got lower deck seats it wouldn’t matter. Same here. A friend of mine took me to a game in 1998 and then I went with my dad to a game in 1999 to see “Hey, the Kids Can Play” White Sox. We didn’t have tickets, found a guy with his daughter who had tickets and my dad and I ended up three rows behind the plate to see the Sox play against the Royals a day or two after the opener. Thanks! What great memories!

Close. I guess you just can't lose them all. Edging the Twins doesn't help the White Sox goal of 100 losses. Come on boys, we know you can still do it.

There's nothing to look forward to in the immediately future. Jerry still owns the team and Getz is a baby GM with Royals fever. Jerry isn't all of a sudden going to change his ways and give Getz all kinds of money to sign the best scouts and development people and add a bunch of sports science experts and double the amount of people working on the improvement of the kids on the farm. The guys are on their own. Too much complacency among people who work for the Sox in important positions and not enough people in other important positions. Funny how fast the Sox wanted to hire Getz and then the Red Sox let go of Chaim Bloom who would've been perfect for the Sox but Jerry would have never hired him because he'd want a couple million a year.

Whats amazing to me is when I reread the tradewinds thread is that so many people considered Burger a DH or 1st baseman. It just goes to show you how damaging early negative results are. It didn't even matter to people that he had played a decent if not good 3rd base with the Sox. Every little dribbler he couldnt make a play on or every hard hit ball that got by him just reinforced those thoughts . It's why we always have to remember that development isn't linear. There are so many examples of poor hitters and poor fielders getting better that we as fans fall into a trap of thinking players are worthless and overvaluing guys like Eder without checking their full body of work going back as far as you can. Sure Burger has a bad injury history but Ng needed a guy who could hit HR's and probably saw enough and heard enough from her talent evaluators that he could play a serviceable 3rd base and hit the ball really hard when he did hit it. So far with the Marlins that has paid dividends and he's making more contact. How well he holds up and manages to reproduce the results with the Marlins is anyone's guess but so far so good and people keep waiting for the other shoe to drop like with Rodon. The Sox didn't even think Rodon was worth a draft pick and he ended up with a great year with the Giants. Not so much after that . Giants must have sent a thank you gift to Hahn for that. Thanks for helping us out there Rick and Jerry for not costing us a draft pick I'm sure your farm system is overloaded with studs !

Hope you enjoy the game and they win for you and your family. They have a booth out on the centerfield concourse that has a certificate and perhaps other giveaways for fans attending their first White Sox game. Should be decent seats at a good value available, especially with football on tomorrow during the game. I scored club seats for under $14 weekday. They closed the UD during the week, but I believe it's reopened for the weekend, so make sure to get lower deck seats so you can check out the whole park and not be isolated in the UD. Cheers!

Like the draft odds really matter?

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/stats/affiliates?teamId=145&date=09/16/2023 https://www.milb.com/scores/all/all/whitesox Think if you are reading this, you qualify as a White Sox Marine. The few, the proud, the masochistic! I see a shirt lol. Tomorrow begin a trip to DC and will meet my son in Boston to cross a Fenway Sox vs Sox game off the bucket list. Yeah when I got the tickets this spring wasn't expecting this........

Hey look at that, a sweep! Charlotte pitching held a shutout into the 8th and ultimately won 9-3. Solesky gets the W: 6IP, 6H, 1BB, 5K. Popeye 0-5 but had an RBI FC. Colas 1-3 with a BB. Hack 2-4 with 2RBI. Cespedes 1-4 with a 2B. Mondou hit a slam after coming in for Fernandez, who left with a shoulder injury. Barons won 8-6. Thompson looked better than his line shows, but got burned by 3 scattered HRs: 5IP, 5H, 4ER, 3BB, 9K. Colson is bored of walks and HBP, so he went 3-5 with a pair of 2B. Ramos 2-3 with 2BB and a 2 run HR. Veras 1-4 with a 2B, Quero 1-5, Elko 1-3 with 2K.

Yea well, I just thought the games were more interesting when he played . it's just a personal thing.

I guess this team can only score in one inning

What AJ has going for him is that he was a catcher which is like a manager on the field. I always thought that Fisk and AJ would have been good managers. Honest, yes, honest to a fault, maybe but I’d rather have honesty than the s%*# coming out of Grifol’s mouth.

No s%*#. Anyone who thinks it will take one is delusional.

Don't see many "open tryouts" beyond the catcher, second base and right field holes they had since the prior decade (save for McCann's time here). Sounds like a continuation plan of failure for bringing up players not ready and not developed by Chris Getz heading into this season (Colas, Gonzales, Sosa). Even if Jerry is willing to spend, which is doubtful with declining ticket sales for a third consecutive season, there aren't any good free agents willing to come here. As always, it will be relievers and old players signing their last contract with no other options (Dunn, La Roche, Keuchel, Grandal, Parrot, Lynn). Open Tryouts - 40 Man Roster Players under 2024 White Sox contract / control (ML Minimum - Arb 3) (Player & 2023 fWAR through 9/14) Position Players - 17 Under Control for 2024 Catchers: Carlos Perez -0.1 & Korey Lee -0.3 First Base: Andrew Vaughn 0.4 Second Base: Jose Rodriguez 0.0 vs. Lenyn Sosa -0.6 Third Base: Yoan Moncada 0.7 Shortstop: Tim Anderson -0.6 Left Field: Andrew Benintendi 0.2 Centerfield: Luis Robert 4.8 Rightfield: Oscar Colas -1.3 vs. Gavin Sheets -0.9 Designated Hitter: Eloy Jimenez 0.3 Infield Reserve: Zach Remillard 0.1 Outfield Reserve: Adam Haseley -0.2 vs. Trayce Thompson -0.3 vs. Jackson "Clint" Frasier -0.4 Reserve: Loser of one of the above "battles" Minor League Players: Bryan Ramos (AA 22 Years Old) Pitchers - 20 Under Control for 2024 Starters (6 - Threshold = 1 or more 2023 starts): Cease 3.0; Scholtens 0.4; Banks 0.0; Toussaint 0.0; Lambert -0.5; Kopech -0.9 Relievers (11): Santos 1.6; Bummer 0.7; Ramsey 0.3; Peralta 0.1; Patino 0.1; Padilla 0.0; Garcia 0.0; Navarro 0.0; Hendriks -0.1; Crochet -0.1; Cronin -0.2 Minor League Players (3 - Zero White Sox 2023 Appearances): Foster (29 - TJS); Martin (27 - AAA); Ramirez (29 - AAA). Note - Unrestricted (Chicago / Illinois Lockdowns) attendance in 2021 (late June - Year End) was higher / game than unrestricted 2022 season. 2023 is a decline from 2022, 2024 will likely be a decline from 2023 with the extinguishing of any hope after the Chris Getz / Pedro Grifol 2024 debacle.

Pedro also said today they need to bring in high-leverage relievers

Barons defense absolutely railing Cannon today. He's out after 3IP, 1ER... 7 unearned runs and dozens of extra pitches thanks to a circus behind him. FIVE starters have errors in the game, and there's probably another handful that could have been called. Make that SIX starters with errors, these guys are all drunk or something.

He has had exactly one game, can you maybe wait a few more weeks before you drop some names that have nothing to do with the sport