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f*** Thom Brennaman.

If I was GM… Okay this is Bagent Town for the next 15 years. He’s honestly played the best, most exciting Bears quarterback I’ve ever seen. He moved defenders with his eyes and played the real game. I’ve never seen a Bears QB ever do that and I started watching during the Kramer years. If we roll with Bagent I think Poles needs to upgrade 3 lineman. Tev & Darnell lock up the right side for the next decade. Braxton first sub at tackle. Davis first sub at guard. Those guys aren’t starters just move on. Tev & Wright together was wrecking; I feel like we all liked that as fans and questioned the switch back. Davis ego? Whatever. Trade down as low as you can to still get Olu for LT, lock in future firsts and grab an established stud just like last year. I think Briggs & AB are right to get that guy and forget about it for the next decade. Trade Justin for maybe a 2nd and that’s where you get a risky ceiling guy like Xavier Leggett for Tyson to throw to. Not sure what you do at 9. Maybe trade down some to grab more 2nds and draft your LG? I’d be stoked with this but that’s cuz I believe in Bagent. If you hate Bagent you probably hate this post and want to flush it down the toilet ?

There comes a point where someone just becomes numb. I’m a recovered alcoholic. And everyone used to talk about hitting their bottom. It always bothered me, because an alcoholic can rationalize anything. You can keep expanding and extending what qualified as a “bottom” I never hit a bottom as an alcoholic. I just said enough is enough. im hitting a bottom as a sox fan.

This...doesn't seem worth a thread.

I am not at the point of stating Cease's 2023 is going to stop Getz from getting a monster haul this offseason because I do still think someone will cave to the ask. But in the event that you are going to go into ST with Cease still on the roster, FFS at least spend some of JR's money to bring in 1 more serviceable SP and a decent RF like Duvall, Grichuk or even Gallo on 1 year deals. If you can't even tank for a good pick, may as well try the misfit toys route and see where things stand in June.

This thread is a ghost town now that the Orioles fans left.

All I know is, I'm going to bet the Dodgers Runline and White Sox opponent Runline every game this season lol maybe even parlay them.

It was rumored a few posts up. Long shot, but it would be White Sox AF.

I don’t know how you could pass up on four 1sts and three 2nds if one of them is the 1.03 and you can still land MHJ. Even if you’re not 100% certain about Fields, you’d have so much future draft capital that you find a QB in other ways. I just don’t think there any chance you are getting that much to move up two spots.

Wouldn't that take them out of Snell tho?

I agree - I actually think it is the opposite. If after 3 years you have to ask - than the answer is they aren’t. None of the top guys was anyone asking that question after 3 years. They may say are they number 2 or number 6 in the league but there is usually a ton of alignment that they are legit.

As hard as it is to believe someone could be worse than Yaz, Maldonado says hold my beer.

I will forever laugh at the name: Dick Fitts

Grandal threw out 15% of baserunners last year. Maldonado threw out 14%. I think some are expecting a lot more than they will be getting. 37 year old catchers generally don't get better.

MLB.com intern must be reading my tweets. ?

From what I read, they did 10 minute exit interviews today with the entire roster from like 10am-5pm, Pace and Flus were conducting the meetings. If they were moving on, I’d have to imagine they would have fired him at like 8am this morning. Now, I would certainly hope they are exploring all options and if someone like Harbaugh expressed interest, doesn’t mean they can’t move in a different direction…but I get the sense if Flus did all these interviews, he’s safe

I loved the bat in college, but he was nothing special defensively. I’m surprised he hasn’t hit better as a pro.

Hey if you want to believe these are the right guys, more power to you. Doesn’t seem like many of them come from winning scenarios but yea they might be the one guy that is good at his job in the entire organization that sucked ass , and surely they would want to leave the Royals for an up and coming situation like the white Sox have going on. Yea I’m starting to buy into your line of thinking now after spelling it out like that. Hire the guys from the shitty companies they know what NOT to do

Duvall would probably be a decent flip candidate but I doubt the Sox are willing to pay him the $10 million or so it would cost. I don’t see any reason to sign Gallo at this point. He has proven he can’t hit above the Mendoza Line for four straight seasons. He’s a strikeout machine that occasionally hits a homer. I don’t see him being worth acquiring for any reason. I’d rather see Eloy DH full time, hopefully stay healthy, and put up a monster first half so they can trade him for something. I’d also rather see Colas get the at bats in a lost season, rather than Duvall or Gallo. And ideally, the Sox get back an outfielder that will eventually be starting for them if Colas is a bust.

You somehow grasped my point while letting it soar over your head. Dipping a little bit into the Royals well, sure. Maybe Getz knew some really talented guys there. But that's the predominant well that he keeps dipping into. Eventually, because they're taking so many people from that organization, including Getz himself, you'll build a Royals culture with a White Sox reskin.

Everyone has a different definition of "elite" but if you're asking if they should expect them to be better than 2023/2024 Justin Fields by the end of their second year in the NFL? Then yes, and that isn't an unrealistic expectation at all.

Make deferrals illegal

White Sox it sounds like. We were very into him on the draft forum.

If it's Jett and Vasil I think they would need a different 3rd piece. As hard as it is for us to understand I was told they were not in love with Houck last year. ?‍♀️

No joke… I mean one of those clowns who used to be here said we were getting babe Ruth and Nolan Ryan. sick.

This is very interesting. I'm not a Prada guy so I would replace him with Clifford or Gilbert but this isn't bad.

This is likely the future of sports contracts, especially in high tax states. These deferrals allow the player to pay much less state tax money on the deferred portion, resulting in more overall money flowing to the player.

He was an under the radar guy but I guess the cat is out of the bag now (thanks Hudson). I really like him. He's very physical and super athletic w/big time tools. Where or if he goes will depend on how he hits this spring. It always comes down to the bat.

https://www.mlb.com/news/royals-assistant-general-manager-jin-wong-part-ways "He has had a major role in the negotiations of multi-year player contracts for the Royals, including Lorenzo Cain, Alex Gordon, Mike Moustakas, Danny Duffy and most recently Salvador Perez, who signed a four-year extension for a franchise-record $82 million in 2021. The Athletic was the first to report Wong’s departure from the Royals, but it's not clear exactly why Wong left. His absence leaves a big hole for general manager J.J. Picollo to fill in Kansas City's front office. Wong came to the Royals in 2000 as a scouting operations coordinator, advanced in the front office to manager of scouting operations and then made his way into baseball operations. He stayed on when former president of baseball operations Dayton Moore was hired in Kansas City in 2006 and has been a crucial part of the Royals’ front office for more than two decades." He's exactly taking over Haber's role. If anything, he will be even MORE important...along with Josh Barfield.

The Cubs getting a C is laughable. They haven’t done s%*#.

My favorite memory is him leaving.

Surely a lot of those guys like Votto are in the midst of weighing similar retirement decisions. Martinez, Turner, Belt, Solano, Santana, Vogelbach, Cron, etc., all getting up there in age. At best 1-2 seasons left for most of them. Like Carpenter/Cruz a year ago. Brantley has had so many injuries...and made a lot of money, all things considered. You can be sure he's one of those guys who is thinking mostly about quality of life in retirement and being able to enjoy being able to play with his kids from a physical standpoint. Will always remember Michael for his father and being a terrible thorn in the side of the White Sox as the quintessential professional hitter for the Indians/Guardians when he was in the prime of his career.

Lovie was fired after a 10-6 season and overall went 8-11 vs GB, I would throw puppies from a rooftop to have that record vs them, lol. Bring in Harbaugh.

Nah. A cap maybe to limit how much can be deferred as to prevent skirting luxury tax ramifications, but not in favor of an outright cap.

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned much on here is that Bradish and Rodriguez saw big increases in their workload last year. Bradish was up 40 innings or so from the previous year, while Rodriguez increased by around 90. That team is going to keep having to add to their pitching depth.

They lost their stud closer as well who is likely a big reason they exceeded their Pythagorean W-L projection.

I would expect playoffs at a minimum as well. But that would have been the same standard if Fields returned. The difference here is we’re hopefully drafting a QB with the floor of outperforming Fields, and a ceiling of becoming a generational talent. All at a much cheaper cost.

Here is a list of NFL QB's that are better than Justin Fields, in alphabetical order: Josh Allen Jared Goff Jalen Hurts Lamar Jackson Jordan Love Patrick Mahomes Kyler Murray Dak Prescott Brock Purdy Matthew Stafford CJ Stroud Tua Tagovailoa Russell Wilson I didn't include guys like Cousins, Rodgers, Trevor Lawrence, Derek Carr, but could have. Including those names, that's over half the league. It's time to think bigger.

I trust that Getz is trying to change the culture here. I also trust that there might be key people he worked with in KC who recognizes were good at their jobs, and he thinks they could be a step up, here. I don't think that Getz locks eyes with a person who worked at KC, they turn into zombies and start droning, "Must fail!! Must fail!!" I'm sure these guys also tell people in their life they're implementing workflow and skills from other jobs that improve the new place. Again, it's like we're pretending that anybody who ever worked at Sears or Kmart should never work again. They bring fail along with them.

Great fit for them, as he mashes LHP and is a wonderful clubhouse guy.

Oh s%*#…was Haber Not Steve Cishek’s source?

Good luck with "being close to family" in the Northeast. Eat lobster, go watch the tidal bore in Nova Scotia, enjoy the fall colours in New Brunswick. Read Evangeline on a snowy night. Make sure you pahk your cah correctly. Thank you for leaving.

This is exactly what I'm trying to say, the coaching and the talent around Fields is like at least half of the problem. Love has wide open receivers and time in the pocket, he hasn't really been pressured and on top of that, their offensive schemes are just light years better than the Bears. No QB, I don't care if it's the second coming of Brady can succeed with the crap we keep putting our QBs in.

Sweet Jesus, I feel bad for Caleb Williams if he's playing behind this line

Getz hiring former Royals in his front office shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. It’s where he worked prior to the Sox, he has lots of contact there. I’m not going to get worked up over a contract/budget/cba guy coming from Kansas City. I’m sure it’s a fine hire.

Crazy money for Manaea

Orioles fans won’t like this but I believe Cease’s value right now is comparable to Luis Castillo in July 2022. The Reds landed 3 of the Mariners top 5 prospects (1 was fringe top 10 in mlb, 1 was top 100 in mlb, 1 was fringe top 100 in mlb) and then a lotto prospect. I don’t think Cease will land a top 10 prospect but 2 in the 50-100 range and 2 in the 100-200 range is certainly possible.

I see Senga and four big question marks in that rotation. How healthy or effective they will be is anyone’s guess.