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Jerry would rather hire people he knows and lose 120 games than hire people he doesn't know and win 100.

m&m guy can be anywhere in the world right now and he's still here watching this. Amazing

getz saying he doesn’t like the team, then going out and assembling a much worse team makes a lot of sense when you consider jr’s disdain for his fanbase. probably why Getz was hired.

If you are saying “where is the list of dynamite prospects that failed” aren’t you tacitly admitting that there was no development done, period. We have nothing here. The cupboard is empty, the man who used to curate the cupboard is now in charge. Yay let’s eat, right

Lee DHing is so mind boggling in its own right. He's better defensively than Maldonado except for reputation. You can hit Gavin at DH because splits don't matter when one hitter has a .083 average with a .245 OPS and the other a .333 average with a 1.159 OPS. Not only is this team poorly built because Getz can't GM, Pedro can't even make simple managerial moves that a computer could make.

Gonzalez HR.

Why does being a white sox fan have to be filled with so much pain ?

This is all strawman bullshit. I haven’t said s%*# to you all winter as you grandstanded this site regaling all of us on the great qualities of Chris Getz, and how this organization will be better for him being in charge. There is nothing more dishonest than that. This team is exactly where they are for a lot of reasons and Chris is a part of that. Every one of us has every reason in the world to say “this fucking sucks and I don’t like this at all” because they all pulled the rug out from under us. Chris has zero minor league wins in his pocket from the time he took over to now. That’s just true. I know it bothers you but there is literally nothing to point to. Not every player enters an organization as a star and some of them have been developed by their organizations and tapped into their potential. The Sox have absolutely none of that so pardon me if I’m a little dissatisfied with Getzy in his time as GM, he hasn’t proved s%*# in the entire time he has been with this organization including his time as a player

Does your back hurt from moving those goal posts?

He's 4.6 years younger than his level. Give him a couple months and I'm sure he will adjust.

Colson ?

I'd say Pedro handcuffed us by DH'ing Lee so that we couldn't pinch hit or pinch run for Maldonado without losing a DH, but I forgot nothing actually matters

This is the first game I've just been depressed watching. We're so far away from winning even 80 games.

Flexen is a trainwreck. He might have the worst stuff for any SP currently locked into a rotation.

Another run on Maldonados tab. Guy fu*kin blows

Garbage in garbage out

So they didn't smell a win the following day with that same 5-0 lead? Just breaking the long/er losing streaks matters?

It's exhausting because both sides are naming names and then the other side is saying "No, I don't feel the way you feel about that player." It's also exhausting because "developed" is a nebulous and relative term so no one is going to be in agreement on what it means or looks like. It really is all opinion.

Finally an honest fan who doesn't act like he knows everything and didn't put words in anyone's mouth. West Eddy is just saying it's pretty subjective and it's hard to argue either way when we basically know nothing and it's not like Getz was in charge very long . How many years was it and how many succeedes can you expect in that time frame and how does that compare to other teams ?Plus there's the whole definition of what should be counted as a success. There's just so many people involved in the scouting ,drafting and development of hundreds of players and then you have the biggest obstacle of all (JR) looming over everything that has always hurt the Sox development of any youths. I always bring up the Dominican Republic, the best Latin America country to get prospects in the last 50 years . Why is baseball filled with DR stars and the Sox have never had one ? It's all on JR because he refused to play the game in the DR that all the other clubs in MLB were playing. We'll never know if he was sincere about that the process being too shady or íf it was just another way to say I'm not spending money there. It still continues to this day. And there always reports about lack of personnel and equipment to keep up with the latest tech in all phases of the organization . For JR the all encompassing player development dept. is an easy area to cut funds that escapes the attention of the media and thus the fans.

The City of Chicago needs every penny of tax reveunue it can get. It will not want divert any of the amusement tax to other sources. Reinsdorf has very little leverage here. He is going to start talking publiclicly about moving the team again pretty soon. It's the only play the old timer still has at this point.

Somehow missed this buuuuuut Nick Madrigal having a higher WAR than the 3 drafted before him doesn't matter. Rodon was the consensus 1-1 draft pick until teams fell in love with Aiken and Kolek, but would you rather have Nola (who was getting mocked to the Sox quite a bit if I recall). ReyLo - Relievers are people too. He was acquired as a starter. Somehow through two games, he's been a good starter for the Braves. Kopech - Chris Sale is arguably a bigger nutcase. Kopech has flashed dominate stuff as a starter. Adolfo - I loved Adolfo as a prospect and suddenly he fell off the map. They needed a RF. If he was ready in time, well, he would have been there. Lambert - Eh, ok. I'll concede this one. Fulmer - Will concede that he was basically busted by the time Getz oversaw the farm. Bailey and Bush - You weren't here at the time, but Bailey and Bush had smoke about their raw talent. The thing is, you asked for a list. These are guys that an org like the Dodgers or Rays churns out and we all stare at in envy. Spencer Adams - A fringe #100 after his dominant rookie ball debut, but will concede that like Fulmer, pre-dates Getz. Clarkin - Just because other orgs can't figure it out doesn't mean the Sox get a pass. Dalquist has 1 IP of relief. He is, until further notice, horrendous. At draft time he had a lot of talk about his, for lack of a better phrase, pitchability. However, since you mentioned Adisyn Coffey, Getz will get a big W if he develops. Dude should have a note on Baseball-Reference that says "drafted to help sign Garrett Crochet and Jared Kelley."

I think the idea was that they didn’t know the extent of Yoans injury until the next day and Colas was the only healthy position player on the 40 man. But yeah…we’re on same page that Colas should have just stayed.

If you were successful at it.

Hopefully. He should be playing RF every single day to be honest. There is zero good reason to play Grossman and/or Pillar over Colas at this point. If the Sox had started 8-4 or something, I could see the arguement. I was fine with Colas starting in AAA this year. But considering the injuries and state of the roster, Colas should absolutely be playing. Even if he boned Pedro's daughter, or whatever he did to get deep in the doghouse.

I feel like the Getz thing is somewhere in the middle... and also kind of unknowable. If you made a list of any organization's prospects, there are going to be a ton of "failures." That's just how it works across the league. Did the Sox produce less major league talent than the rest of the MLB during that time? I don't know but I'm guessing they probably did. Ok... how much of that is Getz's fault? I'm not sure. He was the farm director but who knows what type of decision-making power he had. When he tried to implement something, was he overruled? Everyone seems to understand that JR, KW, and TLR got their way when it came to Hahn's authority. Am I to believe that JR, KW, TLR, and Hahn all gave Getz complete control and approved every suggestion? Seems unlikely. Furthermore, even if Getz had more power and influence than we think he did, he still wasn't the one picking the players. I'm not going to pretend I know enough about amateur baseball to know which failures are attributable to him and which failures are on the player, GM, scouting dept, etc. I bet most people here share my ignorance. The people who are the loudest in attacking Getz's resume are all fans on the outside and AJ Pierzynski... and one episode of his podcast, AJ seemed confused and implying Getz was in charge of drafts... which was obviously not the case. Other than that, it seems like a lot of the analysts and people connected to mlb have more respect for him than your typical SoxTalk poster or commenter under SoxMachine tweet. Where I think WestEddy is right is that there are a number of people who are just salty and ignoring actual successes on his resume. You can say he didn't deserve the job and still acknowledge they produced some major league talent when he was around. I think its unfair and kind of tiring to say he deserves all the blame for the failures but no recognition for Robert or depth pieces while trashing him for something relatively insignificant like sending Colas back down. Again... a lot of hyperventilating happening and I think its just residual anger from 2022-23.

Who let this guy in here anyway...

We have all been regaled. You are regaler. Sorry

If you want to differentiate, the burden is on you, not him. That's how debate works.

Because I have a problem, I just went over the Sox 2019 draft. I don't know if it is scouting or player development, but take a look at this disaster: 1. Andrew Vaughn 1b 2. Matthew Thompson rhp 3. Andrew Dalquist rhp 4. James Beard of 5. Dan Metzdorf rhp 6. Avery Weems lhp 7. Karan Patel rhp 8. Ivan Gonzalez, c 9 Nate Pawecyzk rhp 11. Victor Torres, c 12. Misael Gonzalez of 13. Cooper Bradford rhp 14. McKinley Moore rhp 15. Caleb Freeman rhp 16. DJ Gladney of/1b 17. Jeremiah Burke rhp 18. Sammy Peralta lhp 19. Joshua Rivera rhp 20. Cameron Simmons, of 21. Chase Solesky rhp 22. Logan Glass of 23. Paul Milito, rhp 24 Jakob Goldfarb c 25. Hansen Butler rhp 26. Justin Freeman rhp 27. Tyler Osik c 28. Caeden Trenkle of 29. Kaleb Roper rhp 30. Daniel Millwee c. The "successes" of the group are Vaughn, a below-league-average 1b, Thompson cuz you were able to trade him for a AAA reliever, Avery Weems cuz you were able to trade him as a throw in for Lance Lynn, McKinley Moore cuz you were able to trade him for since-released Adam Haseley, Caleb Freeman because he's still a fringe reliever prospect, DJ Gladney because he's a fringe corner prospect, Peralta because he pitched in the majors before getting DFA, Chase Solesky because he's been a decent org innings eater, and Daniel Millwee because he's a well-regarded minor league coach. That is not much. 2021, 2022, and 2023 look much better so there's hope for better days ahead. But you can't say the Sox are league average in either drafting or development.

I'll keep posting this god damn list

I understand that people are angry with the White Sox organization and Grifol, but I don't start to understand how people can be blaming Grifol for these injuries. All three of these were continually injured for the two or three years before Grifol became manager. Moncada and Eloy certainly and Robert a ton in the minors and his first year. Does Grifol get credit for keeping Robert (relatively) injury free last year? No, of course not; it was luck. These guys just get injured continually. It woudn't matter if Jesus Christ was manager.

Every farm system eventually produces major leaguer to some extent, so not sure why that’s the barometer for good vs. bad. The reality is a good player development staff is getting the most out of its players and the easiest way to tell that if that’s happening is when there is a constant pipeline of prospects who meet or exceed expectations. I think 95% of Sox fans would agree that the vast majority of prospects under Getz performed below expectations. Getz should not get credit because he was given the #1 farm system in baseball and those top blue chip prospects simply made the pros. I just don’t know what you see in his resume to suggest he was even a mediocre farm director.

Remillard wasn’t even hitting in Charlotte. This may be the least talented Sox roster in my lifetime. A lifetime that has seen a lot of bad baseball. Happy to see Shaw go, though.

Small ball Jesus returns to bunt and get dirty just like Pedro likes.

If we could see the following lineup by August, it could be mildly interesting to watch. C : Lee, 1B: AV, 2B: Sosa, SS: Montgomery, 3B: Ramos, LF: Beni, CF: Robert, RF: Colas/Fletcher, DH: Eloy/Sheets BN: Sheets, Fletcher/Colas, Stassi/Maldonado, Shewmake/Lopez

Me seeing eddy and SS2K going to the mattresses in every thread:

If he does it well enough, he could run for President.

You're making things up.

It's weird, you contend he had no say in the matter, zero power, but somehow was good at his job. That makes no sense. If you don't really think they asked Getz about players, what the f*** was he doing? Picking up calzones for JR?

The Sox failed to develop Vaughn and Sheets as Outfielders, even though they had the great Daryl Boston coaching them. LOL, they stalled both players development and possibly their careers by calling them up before they were ready to play and then forcing them to play a position they never played before. Only the Sox would try to try to let two 1B/DH's with absolutely no speed patrol the outfield. Who in the Sox organization thought this was a good idea? Kenny, Rick, Chris, Tony should have all been in on the decision, however the real reason we never signed an outfielder or 2B is Mr Reinsdorf who should take all the blame for hiring incompetent people to direct the White Sox. It all starts at the top so we really should stop blaming everyone JR hired. He could have signed a legitimate MLB Manager or GM however he chose to hire from within as he always does.Until JR goes or sells, discussions like these will continue to dominate Sox Talk when the real culprit is our owner.

Jolted by your hypocrisy more than anything.

Counting anyone who just gets to the majors is a pretty low bar, which is how I'm reading his argument.

I would think he had a say, yes.

This organization is stupid, that's why lol And technically it means he can be called up 4 more times. It just means he would have to finish the year on the team if he were to be called up that fourth time.

It isn’t a stupid conversation at all and now you’re just being a dick for the sake of “optimism”. Your argument basically comes down to “Getz was a good farm director because he didn’t make players worse than when they entered the system” and that’s straight up laughable. His job wasn’t to simply make players better (any level of coaching should do that), but to get these kids to actually be prepared for the majors when they arrive and ultimately reach their potential. Your example of “wins” for Getz are bunch of top 10 - 40 prospects who mostly underperformed at the majors or were called up with significant development still needed. Lucas Giolito literally had to go outside the organization because he was so broken. Cease took multiple years at the majors to get on track. The positional group has mostly underperformed (yes, injuries are a part of that). You’re right, it’s not his fault that the org sucked at bringing in talent under Hostetler (and Paddy to some extent) and in certain cases guys were rushed. But that doesn’t mean Getz should get a free pass for a lack of breakouts and be general underperformance. And no, a bunch of relievers and utility guys taken in the later rounds doesn’t change the calculus when every other farm director has similar notches on their belt.

I can’t be the only one who googled Tyler Johnson thinking “wait, he died?”

LMAO you would think the White Sox were the Dodgers by this argument. FAIL

I dunno. Sometimes you just gotta believe.

With this headline, my first thought was, "yes, Pedro. That is how batting lineups work."

That 5 million buyout in 2025 should be the fastest check ever written.