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The only major league team that would have Rick Hahn as their GM is the White Sox.

Because Sox fans have had it so good all these years?

Passed away, great Sox pitcher in the 1960's, 1963 ROY, Good guy too..

How about no

Weirdos above replacement.

Sox gain 2.1 WAR with this move.

You mean Bill Veeck?

Jerry's just coasting until it's over.

I got to be honest, this franchise sucks a fat you know what. I’m literally embarrassed to be a fan at this point. I uprooted my entire family so I could go to Sox games on the regular and I come home to a roster whose only addition is a non-power hitting LF and a stadium whose only upgrade is a baby bar with some high-top tables that can’t even see the field. For f***’s sack we are a joke.

The Sox initially had bigger plans for the bars when it applied for a building permit in September, but the bars were simplified afterward to meet the budget. Just like the roster. A recurring issue.

They very likely knew he was a philandering asshole. They very likely didn't know that he might've done the things he's being accused of. They couldn't give him $12 million this year because they needed the money for Benintendi. Somehow, you wrote this entire post without mentioning Jerry Reinsdorf

And I could not give less of a f*** about Clevinger’s reputation taking a hit from this. Or any athlete or man in a position of power. I’m going to side with the victims of DV and abuse 99.999999% of the time. The conviction rate is low, but so is the rate of reporting because victims will always be dragged over the coals by systems that protect men, power, & money.

One thing I am going to mention here. Not being charged, and even not being found guilty does not make a person innocent. People want to talk about false reporting, but let's point out what the odds of conviction actually are when we are talking about these cases. Almost every incident that happens in these types of categories does NOT result in a conviction. It typically takes years of stepping up levels of violence before a conviction can happen, if ever. We are talking about a conviction rate that is actually lower than the false reporting rate for domestic violence.

Justus Sheffields DFA period is up today. Hopefully he made it to the Sox.

Ok, I will be careful when I wish for Reinsdorf to sell the team

I read his post more as a “Clevinger may be a bad dude, but he’s no worse than the other despicable characters if philandering is your standard of ‘bad dude.’” But yeah - otherwise I agree. That “locker room” culture is frankly the cause of some of the worst excuse for human behavior I have seen.

Sleeping around when you have a wife, or a baby mama, DOES make you a bad dude. It's fucking despicable behavior, and it shows a total lack of respect for women, and your children. Cheating on a significant other is one of the worst betrayals you can commit as a human being. It disgusts me to see so many of you fucking misogynists normalizing this behavior, just because these guys are professional athletes. f*** off.

Say what you will about Ozzie, but he's always told you straight up how it is.

Just want to say I was the only poster here who put Grifol as the #1 option for manager. Thank me later.

Man, every time I come back and see this thread title, it makes me angrier. Both for the filthy, shithead nature of the player’s actions, and for the sorry state of the team. This Clevinger incident is probably not their fault, but when you run such a joke ass franchise you realize that this type of gut punch exposes the lack of preparation and professionalism evident in every aspect of the org. You can’t trust that they did their due diligence in the first place. You see the lack of depth and roster prep exposed before training camp even begins. You can’t trust they’ll do what it takes to fill the roster hole. Even if they do fill the hole, you can’t trust they’ll target you he right type of player. You realize how needlessly risky the process of rushing out and “beating the other teams to the market” is on these interesting but flawed project-types, and how much it sucks that the only reason to take those risks is to try to avoid paying market value on middling players. Hell, you can’t even trust they’ll do the right thing with regards to dealing with Clevinger. About the only thing you CAN trust is that whatever lessons they learn from this ordeal will probably be the wrong ones. Well, and I guess you can also trust that the media message we get will be akin to shrugging and feeling sorry for themselves for “circumstances beyond their control” yet again, never stopping to wonder if there might be a reason that those circumstances seem to happen so much more often to the White Sox than everyone else. This feels like a low point that I’m going to remember for a long time.

The White Sox are a hopeless cause UNLESS their core players all change their fundamental ways. They need to: 1. Stay healthy. They can't help the Sox win games on the DL. 2. Become disciplined hitters. Way too many free swingers on this club, who get themselves out rather than build pressure on the pitchers. 3. Minimize the hot-dogging. Gotta win games before you can hot-dog. 4. Field their positions well. Way too many mental lapses in the field. We know who they are: Tim Anderson, Yasmani Grandal, Yoan Moncada, Luis Robert, Eloy Jiminez. The play of these 5 guys is the key to the Sox' season. All have been injured each of the last two years, vastly underachieved as a hitter, or both. Every other hitter is part of a supporting cast, led by Andrew Vaughn. Did Jose Abreu move on because of the money, or because he got tired of being the only hitter who actually showed up to play every day and worked on his craft. What's more is that these 5 guys should be leading the way for other players to teach them the right way to play baseball, instead of the wrong way, which most of them have exhibited. For example, Oscar Colas. Is he going to learn how to play the game right? Of course there is a pitching side to this too. Can Lucas Giolito get his act together? Can Aaron Bummer learn to harness his pitches so the manager can have some idea game-to-game what he's going to get out of him? Can Michael Kopech harness his amazing stuff? What are we going to get out of Clevinger and Lynn this year? It all seems to be on the shoulders of Pedrol Grifol, who is the main bright spot in the Sox' offseason. Personally, I'll believe it when I see it. And if they all bring it, I'll be surprised. Pleasantly surprised, but surprised.

How about we go all in with a 6 man rotation including Clevinger and Bauer.

24 pages and counting wasted on the POS Clevinger. I can see 4 pages tops, how bout we talk baseball and end this back and forth BS until MLB completes their investigation.

If my math is correct, the Sox had around 2.4M left (including Hernandez), and the 10 other signings here come out to $735K, leaving them with around 1.6M in available funds (give or take).

Welcome to the digital and social media world of 2023.

Sure, but it still beats 162 games of Beckham.

I have indeed always wanted to experience the park by sitting at a buffalo wild wings that is inside a parking garage.

Well here is another fallacious response. It is as if you have zero concept of how rational thought actually works

Yah, I mean re DFA him in a couple days and try slip thru waivers if you have to…just to try to get some SP depth. Just really don’t get the lack of aggression on that front.

A lot of guys I grew up watching in the "good old days" have passed or are now. Memories.

May 5, 1968 - Sox pitcher Gary Peters became the last pitcher to hit a grand slam for the franchise as he connected in the fourth inning of a 5-1 win over the Yankees at Comiskey Park. It was the first game of a double header. In addition, he threw a complete game with nine strikeouts allowing only six hits in the win. Peters would hit 15 home runs as a member of the Sox. The only other Sox pitchers to hit a grand slam were Monty Stratton and Tommy Byrne. Byrne’s grand slam was as a pinch hitter. May 6, 1963 - Making an emergency start in Kansas City, Sox pitcher Gary Peters hit the first of his 19 career home runs, 15 came as a member of the White Sox. It came in the third inning off Ted Bowsfield. Peters would toss eight innings allowing one run in the Sox 5-1 win. It was the first win in 1963 for Gary, who’d go on to collect 19 of them and win Co-Rookie of the Year honors with teammate Pete Ward. Peters had 189 strike outs to go along with a 2.33 ERA. Peters was told that he would be starting this game on the airplane flying into Kansas City by Sox pitching coach Ray Berres after scheduled starter Juan Pizarro got sick with a case of the flu. May 14, 1967 - Sox pitching great Gary Peters authored his second career one-hitter beating the Angels 3-1 at Comiskey Park. It was the second game in a double header sweep. Peters allowed only a second inning home run to former Sox first baseman Bill “Moose” Skowron and struck out 10. Peters would make the All-Star team for the second time in his career that season going 16-11 with a 2.28 ERA throwing 260 innings. May 26, 1968 - In an effort to jump start a stagnant offense, Sox manager Eddie Stanky batted pitcher Gary Peters in the #6 slot in a game in New York. Peters who had 19 career home runs, was listed in the order ahead of Luis Aparicio, Duane Josephson and Tim Cullen. The move didn’t help though as the Sox lost 5-1 to Mel Stottlemyre. Peters went 0 for 2 in the contest as the Sox only managed four hits. July 4-5, 1964 - During the 1960's the White Sox were synonymous with outstanding pitching...pitching that was the envy of most of Major League baseball excluding only perhaps, the Dodgers. The best example of this were these two days in Chicago over the Fourth of July holiday in 1964. In a time span of roughly 28 hours, the White Sox threw three straight complete game shutouts against the Indians. On the Fourth of July itself, Gary Peters blanked the Tribe on three hits, winning 4-0. In the Sunday doubleheader it was Juan Pizarro in game one, tossing a seven hitter, winning 2-0. Then in the nightcap it was Joe Horlen with a 5-0 blanking on four hits. In 27 innings, Cleveland managed no runs on 14 hits with seven walks. Now that’s pitching!!! July 15, 1963 - Sox pitcher Gary Peters, on his way towards being named Co-Rookie of the Year, threw a one-hitter at Comiskey Park in beating the Orioles 4-0. Future Hall of Fame pitcher Robin Roberts got the start for Baltimore and got that team’s only hit… in fact he would be the only O’s base runner on the night. That hit came in the third inning a single to center field. J.C. Martin and Tommy McCraw blasted two-run home runs for the Sox. Peters would strike out 13 that night and would finish the year with 19 wins despite not getting his first start until May 6 in Kansas City.

Also one of the better hitting pitchers in the game. Gary Peters and Joel Horlen was a preety good 1-2 punch in the 60's

That first photo looks like a 40 year old hooker walking with a 70 year old Mike North.

When the Sox signed Clevinger, CHGO podcast with Herb and Sean Anderson had some guy from San Diego on to talk about it and he kept saying how much he liked Clevinger and how nicely Clevinger treated this guy's kid. It also seemed like this guy liked him because he was a good interview. Does anyone remember who this was? I'm curious to look at his twitter to see if he has made any comments about it.

Peters pitched in two September, 1959 games. There are six remaining living players from the pennant winning team: Luis Aparicio, SS and Ken McBride, P Lou Skizas, OF and Claude Raymond, P played in April of 59. Joe Hicks, OF and JC Martin, 3B were also September call ups.

Knew Gary for a long time, my first White Sox hero. The first game I ever attended in person was on July 15, 1963 when he threw a complete game one-hitter beating the Orioles 4-0 at Comiskey Park. The only guy to get a hit was Baltimore pitcher and future Hall of Famer Robin Roberts. The two lived about a mile from each other in Sarasota and Gary told me every time he saw Robin, Robin would give him grief about being the only guy to get a hit or get on base that night. Peters was "sneaky fast" had an easy delivery and then the ball exploded on a hitter. Made two All-Star teams, was a 20 game winner, led the league in ERA. Was a terrific pitcher. Basically only Hebert and John are left from those incredible staffs from the 1960's.

What these guys do in their personal lives is none of our business and many of them do it. They should completely clean house. They won't though.

And in this effort to defend Hahn, you've just said "Rick Hahn got outsmarted by Clevinger".

"free swingers" is 100% an apt description of the team last year. Anyone who says otherwise disn't watch this team play last year and probably thinks baseball is played on Excel spreadsheets.

Should Sox fans not be upset and/or expect more?

Suspended w/o pay until released and to never put on a Sox uniform.

^^^^^The most gaslighting post ever.

In what should have been a gracious and celebratory moment, Jerry used his brief time on the air in the 1983 AL West Championship dugout to state the following: Even Hawk Harrelson was stunned into silence with a look of WTF?! Jerry has only increased his animosity, hatred and pettiness over the decades as he has gotten older, more stubborn, spiteful, greedy and antagonistic toward the ever dwindling numbers of remaining fans he hasn’t yet driven away. There will be a clean slate and 180 degree change in fan attitude once this Mr. Potter-like creature and his current Smithers are replaced by competent human beings worthy of empathy and support.

In the spirit of your excellent post, you can’t even trust that this is the low point.

I wish I knew how to quit the Sox. That would do it though. So maybe it’s for the best. Hopefully they trade Rodriguez, Ramos, Vera, everyone they got on this deal.

Forget it...he's rolling!

This is not true. You may be thinking of North Korea?

The biggest issue is still that they had $8 million to spend on a starting pitcher so that they could also sign an outfielder. When you are forced to bargain bin hunt so the owners grand kids don't miss a meal, sometimes you end up signing turds.

I got this tweet from that article. Note that the tweet was from his time being run out of Cleveland.

If you are referring to the drug conviction (and I assume you are) that's got nothing to do with his time with the Sox, that's no different than any other player in my notations. When they leave the Sox that's really not relevant unless they remain say as an "ambassador."