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Someone should tell him, at least he had a seat at the table, when they decline.

I wish someone from the state would tell JR that clearly we aren’t going to be subsidizing $1.7 billion ballparks. He should understand as he doesn’t play on high end free agents.

If this thing is such a money maker why aren’t JR and Related building it themselves?

Thanks. My layman's interpretation of that is that JR wants the city to guarantee him new revenue streams and profit in order to hopefully get something out of it themselves decades down the road. f*** that s%*#.

That would be funny to be honest. Should make it a public hearing and do the same "Well, we're not going to do that, it's asinine to pay for a stadium like that. No stadium ever deserves that kind of money" in the way he did the interview and comment on Shohei.

The biggest red flag is the refusal of the CCL holder and the victim to cooperate with the police. Here is a summary from the Second City Cop Blog. https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/

Say what you will about Jerry, and guys like SSHM are doing that, but this is a brilliant deal and proposal taking into account the real things politicians care about (perception and development). Even if it extends where the tax goes, no "new tax" is an easy sell, and residents don't pay hotel tax so it's mostly subsidized by tourists. Those other things SSHM mentioned are already in place and no one complains about them or knows about them. Pritzker gets to stay true to no new tax on his watch for billionaires stadiums. Johnson sheds the soldier field debt and essentially politically trades it for the development of an area the city has been after for decades. Jerry gets to maintain his sweet heart deal and use found funds to further subsidize his new stadium absent debt.

I think it looks nice. But I’d only need it for baseball which is more than most Chicagoans and Illinoisan need it for, which clearly would be mediocre if ownership didn’t change. I don’t know why anyone would give him that money with how little effort he has but into being anything but mediocre for 43 seasons. But we let JR build a state of the art baseball facility, and look what we got? Letting him do it again would be like letting Rick Hahn generally manage a rebuild after he showed you he had no clue how to build a team. And the area would be mediocre for years. They are banking private business will want to build because the White Sox are there. So it will be a ghost town at worst, a construction site at best for the first several seasons after the park is built.

Those projections are always crap and are always over stated too. Reinsdorf deserves nothing, the guy who won’t spend at all on free agency should not be gifted a new stadium to make his sale of the Sox worth $2b instead of $1b.

@South Side Hit Men Yea that's what I figured. Basically the city would be retiring a debt mostly already paid in order to take on a new, much bigger debt, that would be subject to the same downside risk except now you've increased that risk by stretching it over three decades. How many pandemics can we fit in before it's paid off? I want some gold star plated accounting and consulting firm to project what the revenue would be if the city could use the stadium for its own uses for 200+ days a year. That's the nut here. Of course JR's greedy ass wants all that gate and licensing revenue too. f*** HIM.

The City is already eating an additional $29M in debt service due to hotel tax shortfalls. Tourism remains lower than 2019 levels, so negative actual growth rates the past four years and counting vs. the 5.5% annual growth projected when these scams were concocted by Jerry and the McCaskeys. This is on top of Jerry's property tax free, rent free, maintenance paid for, keep every last nickel 38 year lease, and of course he wants a shitload more, because it's never enough. What kind of "rosy" projections and tax shortfalls will Chicagoans have to eat over the next 30-40 years to fund this $1.5B welfare payment, plus all the likely additional cost overruns and other "surprises"? No surprise they floated this giant turd on a Friday evening. Pritzker must flush this scheme down the toilet immediately, if not sooner.

Yup, you just said what I did in 1/3 the words, perfectly said. JR wants all the upside, he wants the city to take on all the downside. f*** that.

Hard pass. Use that money on behalf of the 2,700,000 who live here, not some lifelong asshole billionaire from Highland Park.

f*** that noise. I'm not a card carrying DSA member by any stretch, but if that's what JR wants, then the city needs to mandate it has a roof and that when the Sox aren't using it the city can do whatever it wants.

Barring some kind of injury or disastrous first half, Getz made the right move.

Many people don't understand that Tim was pretty injured last year and tried to play through it. He did his damage to himself but he cared about playing.

Keep in mind Levine isn't right very often.

I hope it's just a spring uni problem, because these look like straight up trash.

This season is going to be a lot of learning what people look like.

And then we'll all get cancer and die, and one day a meteor will hit the Earth and make it unlivable for human life, so no one will even ever remember or know we were here. Jeez, dude, if you're just going to be glum about everything, carry it through to the end.

Just one more thing (Columbo Style). What does she do with her gun(s) on school days, and in particular the day in question. If she does the responsible thing on school days and locks her gun either at home or locked in an out of sight case within her locked car, as permitted under the ILL CC law, why didn’t she feel comfortable doing the same while attending the Sox game? Especially since she knew she would be searched. Or does she carry her gun everywhere, including into the school she teaches, knowing staff isn’t subject to metal detectors searches. Took a chance stashing it on her person knowing her purse would be searched and therefore kept the gun stashed on her person rather than the smarter option of locking in a locked case and vehicle. It’s possible she was off, but since she was attending with co-workers it’s likely she worked and stayed in the city (she works at a North Side CPS school) before the game, vs. driving to the far SW suburbs where she lives, and then fighting rush hour traffic a second time to get to Sox park in time for the game.

This is going to play out in modern Sox fashion. We begin with the hope of JR spending the money required, it quickly becomes apparent he won't, and ten years from now we move into the ruins of Kauffman Stadium.

That gun was fired inside the ballpark. The offender/teacher story is close to correct. Believe it or don't.

Even less shocking — that the Sox finally signed him five years after first showing interest when he is old and washed-up.

Again, in my layman's opinion "retiring city's obligation" on the SF debt is doing a lot of work. The city is taking on new risk by transferring the hotel tax revenue to JR, instead of the ISFA. This certainly isn't a slam dunk from the city and taxpayer's perspective. It is of course a slam dunk for JR.

As is his style, he's completely out to lunch on the sad reality of his franchise in 2024. This is not the LA Dodgers. Frankly, it's not even the Oakland Athletics. This is a franchise to where if it left the city tmr, outside of a few diehards, would get a Larry David style "nobody gives a f***" shrug in Chicago. He's acting like he's got all this leverage, bro.

This is going to be a very tough sell.

Least shocking news of the day is Sox have been interested in him for a long time.

If I know MLB at all, the next guy will be worse.

FWIW, he was coming back from Tommy John surgery as well as another injury to start the year. I'm totally ok with discounting his performance for last year - yeah great success would have been wonderful, but being back out pitching while healthy was still positive. This year we should expect and hope and demand for a lot better from him.

West Coast White Sox. They've got a projected 85 wins and are making win now trades for relievers with injury concerns in order to perhaps squeak into a wild card. Thank god we found a team as dumb as we are to make a deal with.

You're way off base here man. If it was just his opinion, then he would have just said he disagreed. You don't put "..............I disagree" if it isn't alluding to something he heard. And anyways, he came back later in the thread after the fact and said the Orioles circled back to Cease the other day. That's a little more than opinion based.

If Moncada has a monster year, then hopefully he's tradable at the deadline. Get rid of the money and leave that on someone else. No way on Earth you extend him, not with a team controlled 1 year option.

Your friend is wise. Occams Razor gang. Maybe ask if the controversial Shot Spotter (RIP) hit anywhere in the vicinity (all 009th district) WITHIN the time of the incident.

People really think Sniper Legolas is pulling this off.

Even John Wick couldn't pull that one off.

This. Most serious and nearly all professional athletes will play hurt, pump pain pills and do whatever they can to return to the field. Trained ethical medical staff and management need to prudently manage players. How many times did players linger unplayable on the active roster? You can add Yoan, Grandal and Robert to the list of players who had major injuries, clearly should have been on the IL if not having surgery, and yet continued to play on during meaningless games and seasons the past two years. Hendriks and all pitchers play through dead arm periods and pain at times, perhaps many times, during the 162 + season. However, it's just common sense to put the breaks on if your pitcher is well below his typical velocity, and isn't effective. Waiting a week or two to see him improve or perhaps shut down until he can begin to pitch effectively.

I was reading Heymans article from yesterday. He "confirmed" that the package of prospects the O's just traded was what they offered to Getz for Cease.

Of course Hendriks wanted to pitch as soon as he could. He's as competitive of a person as we've had in years, that's just his personality. That doesn't mean he should have been allowed to. His body had just been through a major shock, there's no possible way he could have had a normal offseason training program even if he had tried to, he had already missed a month last year due to his elbow, he had a long-running elbow issue that had to be managed, and when he first came back his velocity was noticeably down already. 29 teams would have at least said "We're taking this slow, we're going to build your arm up gradually, and we want to see your velocity come back to your normal level before we start putting you against big leaguers". Rick Hahn said "I need you to save my competitive bullpen good luck kid."

I’d say there are probably some leaps made in this statement, but it’s likely pretty close to the truth based on the facts that have come out. I know it’s a longer thread, but I’d suggest you read through it. If I remember correctly, there was a Shot Spotter notification within about 5 minutes of the incident a few miles away (or more?). The trajectory the bullet(s) would have had to travel makes it ridiculous to think it’d hit more than one person. And if it were multiple shots, it’s just as ridiculous to think they’d land in such close proximity to each other. I don’t doubt for a second that a report would be issued that would be politically and economically convenient. It’s disappointing though.

I don't really understand the point of it all but when we are discussing who are the young players that are supposed to be influenced by this veteran group - it's the pitchers. We are going to have a fresh bullpen and a lot of tryouts. They may not be that young, but in terms of experience, clearly they see changing the culture to a bunch of motivated, bad veterans who can play defense is better than a bunch of unmotivated, bat veterans who were once good and also can't play defense. Both are bad though, really need to emphasize that there is a lot of bad on this roster. Worse than 17 imo.

These remind me of the $35 dollar jerseys that I used to buy from China.

Wow - that Kopech comparison. Looks like they grabbed a shirsey off a Walmart rack.

Fanatics is just a terrible, terrible company. I bought a pair of Sox "lounge/PJ" pants from them like 5 years ago, color and font were totally different than the picture on their site, quality was awful. Can't wait to see how they ruin NHL jerseys next year

This seems like a microcosm of society. Some team of folks put these together and thought they looked good. I don't think it was the goal to save money it was just people being really bad at their job. Whether it was Nike or MLB that helped design, they did not know their market.

Anderson was never right after getting taken out by yet another ex Royal attempting to play 3B…

Totally agree, but that's a lot of 40-man spots needed. Struggling to find logic of cutting any additional position players on it for washed up vets.