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Yeah, other than not being guaranteed a roster spot, not eating up millions of guaranteed dollars that could have gone somewhere else, and not being at a position where it would have been really easy to find a better option, it's exactly the same.

This is will be my last post on the matter because it's dragging down the board and quite frankly you aren't worth the time. The one thing you've never understood and most likely never will is the proper definition of what "truth" is. Truth is objective, where you see it as subjective. "Your truth" is simply your opinion. Your opinion on something doesn't make it true, however much you'd like it to be. What you are doing is offering an opinion. That's when someone has a viewpoint on something that may or not be based in fact, but they hold it to be true to themselves. People can have LOTS of opinions, and often times people debate those opinions. That's called a conversation. Are we learning anything yet? Still with me? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. You're always going to be the way you are. The sad part is, as I described with another poster a few days ago....is you spend hours on this site, post after post either correcting people who don't share your same opinion, or you're complaining about how ownership didn't do what you wanted, how this team isn't going to be as good as people think, and just generally how unhappy you are. The saddest thing we've dealt with people like you on this board before. Many times. You're all the same. It's SO important for you to be right, you'll activity root for the "team you love" to fail so you can get in front of your computer and say "See, I told you so! I was right all along!" And when the team is going well, we either won't see you around or you'll drop in with "Yeah but it's a small sample size" or "We'll see if it lasts the whole season." because it just crushes you when the "truth and logic" you spewed all those months turned out to be nothing more than an uneducated opinion. I'm fine ending the conversation because at the end of this....I'm excited the weather is changing and baseball is around the corner and the team I root for has one of the better rosters in baseball. I'm going to find a lot of enjoyment out of this season. And I'll know on the other end of the spectrum, you'll be hate-watching the White Sox, just rooting for a Liam Hendricks blown save so you can rush the computer and tell everyone how smart you are. I don't envy you. I feel bad for you.

I just read this in Borat voice

I love pointing to Guillén, Karkovice, Ventura & Lance Johnson as evidence 1994 was maybe the most talented team ever. Cool. Now replace their offensive numbers with Anderson, Grandal, Moncada and Robert ?? People still have no idea what they are about to see. Flush those 20’s and 2000’s Yankees down the toilet. It’s over. This will be the greatest collection of baseball talent the game has ever seen. Our worst players, Eaton & Madrigal, will probably put up a .360 OBP with their eyes closed. I’m actually hoping Adolfo gets the call at the ASB to replace Eaton and puts up a quick .950 OPS

Burdi desperately needs a change of scenery

I get Robert covers a lot of ground and is the better fielder, but with a routine flyball to LF, just let Eloy catch it before they both get hurt.

That is some high OBP

They very much reduce infection and transmission, your information is from a very narrow reading of what the initial EUAs were filed for but since then there have been millions vaccinated and studies in places like Israel confirming what was already very likely. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows Note, that topline number will be lower, but if you are vaccinated you are less likely to be infected and are less likely to transmit, but we don't know to what degree yet. But that is a substantial reduction of risk to the point that idea that you couldn't hold a concert because people may spread it outside is much more stringent than a "anyone can go to an indoor restaurant with some space between them" standard which currently exists.

Its a bit. He doesn't like Grandal.

I think Vaughn is on the OD roster regardless of an extension.

Glad you said it and not me. I argued that till I was blue in the face after the game 3 loss. People hyping the BP forget a lot of those young guys were cutting their teeth against poor teams and they completely wet the bed in game 3 against a non AL Central team and Crochet got injured when he was specifically rested to pitch in game 3. Bad pitching and an injury are not the fault of the manager. You don't win many games when the BP walks 7+ guys. I think the bullpen is pretty good but Heuer and Foster and the like will have a much harder time this year with the normal schedule and better lineups. That's just the vagaries of relief pitching.

Recently the White Sox website had a computer game tournament in trying to determine the greatest White Sox team of all time. Where as I'm sure all of us White Sox fans will agree that the idea of The 1972 White Sox , the team that won it, being the best White Sox team of all time is ludicrous, I decided to take a shot at it myself. Here are my top 3 in DESCENDING order. 3. 2005. Where as I'm sure I'll get a lot of people disagreeing with me that I'm not putting them number 1, mainly because of their amazing postseason, I put them number 3 because the two ahead of them simply had stronger offensive teams, to go with great pitching, then this one had. But I don't want this piece on the great 2005 team to be bashing them, so I'm focusing here on what they could do. They won 99 games, the most in the league, and never spent a single day out of first place all season. They tied for the league lead in pitching and led in ERA+ when adjusted to their ballpark. They had power, as they hit 200 homers, speed, great defense, ( their infield defense of Crede, Uribe and Iguchi were outstanding, as well Rowand in center,) four outstanding starters, and a deep bullpen that actually had two great closers over the course of the season. They also had that incredible string of having a lead in the first 37 games of the season and of course won the World Series, with their amazing post season run. 2. 1994. This was the year that never was. The strike ended this season in August, but I said even then, that this was the best White Sox team I ever saw. They had won the division in 1993 with the best pitching in the AL, excellent defense, (Ventura, Guillen, Karkovice and Lance Johnson were among the best in the league at their positions,) good speed, and above average offense, mainly because of Frank Thomas, the best White Sox hitter in franchise history. But in the playoffs, Toronto's game plan was to simply not give Thomas anything to hit. He actually went 1-1 with 4 walks in Game 1. Now the sabergeeks may have been impressed with this line, but it's what Toronto wanted to do and it worked for them. So in 1994, the White Sox picked up Julio Franco, who had 100 RBI's by August, so teams couldn't pitch around Thomas like this anymore. So now they were 4th in runs scored, as compared to 7th the year before and better than the 2005 team that finished 9th in runs scored. They also led the league in pitching in 1994 again, by a wider margin, as their team ERA was more than a quarter of a run lower than the second best team! The 2005 team only tied for the league lead as stated above. Ozzie Guillen, who played for this team and managed the 2005 team, said himself that the 1994 team was more talented. The only problem this team had, was a strange June slump where closer Roberto Hernandez seemed to go through a period where he was tipping his pitches. His history says he would have corrected that by the end of the year however. As far as the postseason goes, we'll never know. But this great team shouldn't be penalized because they never got the chance. 1. 1917. This team probably doesn't get the notoriety that maybe it should because of the members of this team that were also on the 1919 team. (A year which needs no explanation.) However, if you look at the facts, this was the best team in White Sox history. To begin with, this team had 3 players who are in the Hall Of Fame who were part of the "Clean Sox." Eddie Collins, Ray Schalk and pitcher Red Faber. If you then take the players who were later banned because of what happened in 1919, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson would have unquestionably been a Hall Of Famer. Pitcher Eddie Cicotte also probably would have been. That's 5 Hall Of Famers on one team. Then throw in Buck Weaver, Happy Felsch, and another pitcher, Lefty Williams, who almost certainly would have been All-Stars if an All Star game existed then, as they all were amongst the best in the game at their positions. They were considered by some to be the best team ever assembled at the time. Now statistically, my Brother In Law correctly pointed out that it gets difficult to compare players from different eras because of the advancement of statistics of today. So the only way to compare this, is to compare how they did against their competition at the time. And this is what this team against their own competition. They won 100 games, the only White Sox team to do so, and did it in only the 154 games they played then. They lead the league in runs scored AND pitching. The only White Sox team to do so. And of course did win the World Series. After this it gets a bit more difficult. My gut reaction is to put the 1983 team fourth. They won 99 games, led the league in runs scored and was 3rd in pitching. Then comes the 1959 team fifth.

You can definitely see how firing Coop and hiring Katz has focused this pitching staff.

Game two at Guaranteed Right Field normally features about 1,200 fans and 27 degrees.

Kaplan said they are calling this off early. EDIT: Kasper reversed course and said the Dodgers are coming out to bat for the 7th. He also said tomorrow is a scheduled 9 inning game.

good thing this is spring training because this team looks like dogpoopoo today

Sox looking like doggy doo

Dodgers perfect through four. Time to wake up the bats.

I believe Kap may have mentioned that both teams wanted 30%, Lightfoot came back with 20%, but that 30% could be worked in pretty quickly.

Seivers had 150 and 144 ops+ In his two seasons, both above .900, with the Sox though. Then they traded him for John Buzhardt. They got more war from Seivers and Buzhardt than the twins got from Michner and Battey in half the combined years

He isn't worth anything though.

Yes. We knew he wasn't going to make the team. Who cares if he gets blasted? Now Burdi, different story, but it is March 8th.

Just got an email from the White Sox. They will have pods of tickets available per homestand. Season ticketholders have priority based on tenure and type of package. He said package. They said capacity will be determined homestand by homestand. Masks will be required.

7. Tomorrow is 9.

Mike Wright? More like Mike Wrong.

This was one of the bad trades, but it wasn't the worst. It was another one made that off-season that was worse and flat out the worst trade in franchise history. We traded Earl Battey and Don Mincher to the Twins franchise, (still Washington at this time,) for Roy Sievers. Now many people say the Sosa/Bell trade is the worst in history. But that trade at least made sense at the time. George Bell was a proven run producer and we needed one to hit behind Thomas. Sammy Sosa at this time wasn't. He later became one after hitting the drug store, and that's why people say that's the worst. But this Sievers trade made ZERO sense. Roy Sievers was a slugging, lead footed first baseman. Trouble is, we already had one of those in Ted Kluczewski. And there was no DH in 1960, so they both couldn't play. We in turn gave up a couple of future all stars in Battey and Mincher, and more importantly, gave Minnesota 1/4 of their regular lineup that won the pennant for them over us in 1965. And I agree with you, and have always agreed with you, about the regular season being more important. The test of time, every day for 6 months, is more important than getting hot for a couple of weeks.

Going off career splits for a guy who has played what, a month?

1972 and 1977 were the funnest teams ever.

That’s strange considering vaccination doesn’t prevent transmission

Would be interesting. The CDC just released a statement saying that fully vaccinated people can gather without masks or social distancing (duh) so if they do end up requiring proof of vaccinations, they shouldn't need a cap on how many fans are allowed to enter, if everyone is vaccinated anyway

Sun-Times says 20%

You can agree with someone saying 2 + 2 is 5 but you'd be just as wrong as he is. Calling someone ignorant and explaining why apparently makes me an asshole but simply calling someone stupid over and over and not even offering a counterpoint at all is rational? If that's your take then sorry, you're wrong whether you know it or not, and people really hate being told they are wrong. But I'm not going to apologize for being correct. It tends to just come down to ego for some people. Not for me. That's why I can actually acknowledge now and then that I was wrong about something or retract it and offer a softer take after I have had time to think about it more. So many are unable to do this and take everything personally rather than try to look at themselves as well. Do I come off harsh sometimes? Sure. That's because truth often is harsh. But malice is not a thing with me. The amount of venom that comes my way vs the amount I throw put is hilariously lopsided towards the former. You will never hear me get into petty namecalling contests with people. Your perspective of me is skewed and likely biased. I don't believe I've ever called someone stupid here. Don't need to. I'm not weak.

Collins has not had a fair chance to hit in MLB. But he also has struggled when given the chance. He was average in AA and good in AAA. So I think it may be debatable if he will hit in MLB if he actually had a position. Maybe if he stayed in the minors longer and worked at his catching he might have latched on here or somewhere else. I think he really needs a year at AAA exclusively catching or converting to another position to see what his future direction should be. Getting crumbs here and there in MLB the last 2 years has not helped.

Collins will hit in the MLB. Whether it is here or somewhere else. That said, please find me someone who thinks he can catch in the MLB.

Doesn't mean much but spencer torkelson so far is hitless in 11 PAs with 3 walks and 5 Ks. Not quite comparable to Vaughn who is a year older and least had a season in A ball and a full alternate site season but so far Vaughn looks better than torkelson. Tork still has more raw power potential but Vaughn could have a better hit tool, he struck out less in college too (75k, 123 bb vs 104 Ks and 110 bb in about 100 less PAs for Tork).

In Ricky's defense, Rodon couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and Foster completely forgot how to pitch. And Jose Abreu choked in several big spots. That series loss to OAK was on more guys than just Ricky. Although I do agree he shouldn't have started Dunning if his plan was to pull him as soon as the opposition put a RISP even if it was the 1st inning. That's not exactly a good plan, especially when you've got one of the top offenses in baseball behind you.

I think it’s technically called a “murder” of Cespedeese But I will stick with “cespedeses,” perhaps with the emphasis on “ped”

This year's team. Book it. At least until next year.

The 1919 team was probably the best team the Sox ever had.

I feel like Leury is under appreciated around here. Solid bench piece who is basically the same as a lot of guys who people here wanted to sign.

Most underrated/overlooked aspect of this team, will likely be the best in the game

This is a fair assessment, and one likely to Passat least on the Crochet end. That said Hahn needs to make these decisions, whether he does or allowed to do so is another story. Injury or poor performance with the starting rotation may change plans to the benefit of Kopech and Crochet. There’s not a lot of depth there, whereas the bullpen is solid on its own, and it’s easier to pick up another bullpen piece if necessary.

I am also optimistic that we may have the best manager for dealing with it and making it the most productive experience for the guys we still hope to be starters. Thats a pro TLR take from me.

Finale was super rushed I felt. Should have been 10 episodes. I think overall the series was solid, just left me feeling meh at the end.

I don’t think this survey is very scientific. One factor is it’s easier to get a beer at a Sox game with smaller crowds, and lines, and a lot more access to vendors. If they were drawing 35k a night, it would be a little tougher to get a lot of beers.

Should be the best in baseball with interesting arms in AAA waiting in the wings.

i feel very strongly both ways about this

Yes, I realize this now thanks to Jimmy's non-shouty explanation. I'm used to dudes having to actually be down in the minors for some arcane reason. Let me put in terms you can understand: MLB.HAS.DUMB.RULES.SOMETIMES.THEY.ARE.SHIT.MY.BAD.FOR.MISINTERPRETING.THEM.MLB.STILL.LOVES.FUCKING.OVER.MINOR.LEAGUE.PLAYERS.ESPECIALLY.WHEN.IT.COMES.TO.ARTIFICIALLY.MOVING.TIMELINES.SUCH.AS.THE.INTERNATIONAL.SIGNING.DATE.

IT.IS.15.DAYS.STOP.SAYING.6.WEEKS.