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You aren't wrong but your behavior here isn't exactly exemplary either. Look inward. Yep. I hate to think of some of these people as older than early 20's. With that said... If this is genuine, then I gladly accept your apology and do hope you refrain from this type of thing in the future. You're actually probably the only person I've personally interacted with that was man enough to apologize or retract something he said regarding a conversion with me, which should result in some reflection for some people here, including a few who have it in their heads that I'm some sort of relentless prick. I treat people how they act; humble and civil posts/responses equal humble and civil responses from myself. So kudos to you. Now if we can get some others on the same track...

I guess their manhood is being challenged directly by his success...the opposite of the Napoleon Complex. I mean, it's not like his parents gave him a couple of million to invest in Bitcoin, Dogecoin and Tesla. At his height/size, he became the best high school hitter in the country against all odds...and continued that success at Oregon State.

I get big incel energy from those posters. It's pathetic.

I will never understand the desire to be the first person to overreact to a small sample size and write off a young player. Nick Madrigal has 45 fucking games of major league experience. Him making some dumb plays in the field and on the bases does NOT mean he will forever be bad in those areas. Good god some the takes here are scathing hot. And even worse are people who seem to hate him simply due his height. I hope when Nick Madrigal goes home after a game to his million dollar house and bangs his hot as fuck girlfriend that he’s laughing at these chumps who rip his height or post pictures of dwarves on the internet in some pathetic attempt at mocking someone who has probably accomplished more in a day than they’ve accomplished in a lifetime.

The posting of pictures of children and gifs of dwarves is a bit strange my man

Great, you just gave the opponents a scouting report.

Ray I'm going to ask you again to never, ever respond to me. 99.9% of your posts in reply to me are ad hominem attacks in which you insert absurd cut outs of my post history and put words into my mouth. I have you on ignore but sometimes it glitches and shows when you respond to me. Just stop, just put me on ignore and we'll never have to cross paths. Thank you. And for the record, go through my posts and you will find the vast majority made since this season started, the vast majority, have no personal attacks and debate the substance of arguments about players and the Sox. I'm actively working on bettering myself, but when you respond to me with your absurdities it doesn't make it easy not to just rip the fuck out of you. So please, don't give me the temptation.

Went with Madrigal. If he can’t hit for power, he’s going to need to control the weather more than he has so far. It’s early thou, I get it.

OPS is deeply flawed in that it simply adds two numbers that are of different scales. A .400 OBp is vastly superior to .400 SLG, but according to OPS they’re the same. It would be better if there were a stat for (TB + BB + hbp)/PA

This is a strange thread... Madrigal is on our team. He is our boy! Why are we making fun of his height!? Madrigal doesn't have to be Altuve or Pedroia to have a good major league career. If you think every #4 pick needs to be an MVP contender you are going to be consistently disappointed. If he can get the goofball plays under control, his elite contact level should make him a pretty good player. He's perfectly fine on any team as an 8 or 9 hitter. Especially in our case with batters like Tim Anderson, Luis Robert, and Jose Abreu that follow him. And I just feel like his elite contact levels mean there could be something special about this guy. If he can add a few walks and/or a few more extra base hits to his repertoire he becomes a pretty elite level player pretty quick. I don't think it's crazy to think he could improve his patience and/or power a bit. Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned and behind the time on all the sabre-metrics. But I think Madrigal is very promising. P.S. Someone was making fun of David Eckstein earlier. His two World Series rings and World Series MVP say hello.

This. Just start requiring the passport and watch the remaining holdouts get their vaccines.

WTF is wrong with some of you. The kid has played approximately 45 games in the MLB. He is a young player who is learning and growing...........he has made some dumb plays but that is expected for any rookie. If in 2 years Nick is not a better player then he is now then b**** away. Give the kid a chance........some of you are just dumbass trolls who for some reason think it's funny to pick on his height. While you clowns sit at home typing on a message board this kid in playing in the MLB. I personally think he compliments this young team very well. You need some that is going to make contact and put the ball in play. Have you seen what has happened on the North side with that offense over the year? Everybody on that team strikes out way to much. If you don't have guys that are going to put the ball in play then you are going to be a team that scores 16 on day and scores 1 or 2 a game for the rets of the week.

Joe West

Nick Madrigal is my idol.

60% vs 80% vs 100% -- what's the fkn difference, how is 60% capacity going to keep people safe? This is yet another example of d-bag politicans over-reaching / controlling and not making the slightest difference to protect people.

Feel free to comment on your choices.

What are his 2019 numbers? Thanks for sharing the info.

Absolutely need to bat him at #2 then while starter is trying to establish fastball early in game.

I was commenting on the "worst player on the team" comment. Since we are using a small sample size (not including pitchers) I would say Jake Lamb and Leury have been worse baseball players than Madrigal this very young season, let's not forget the Nick Williams experiment. If you want to just say THIS season Grandal has been horrendous and Collins looks lost (defensively he's been surprisingly fine imo). Vaughn isn't producing (granted his at-bats look better since he's getting more opportunity). Moncada was hitting .150 and only just recently brought his average up to .200. To say Madrigal is the worst player on the team through 18 games is bologna when there are not only worse players, but also so many players who are completely under performing.

Still think his defense and base running will improve.

So my post to you is a personal attack but people posting oompa loompa posts for Madrigal are good natured ribbings? How did I attack you lol? You honestly can't make this up. I can respond to anyone I please, thank you. After all, what's the point of a message board if you can't interact with posters and talk about posts? Isn't that what you say all the time? Thank you for proving my point regarding your sensitivity though.

As someone who is new to SoxTalk, I find this thread fascinating. The discussion on Madirgal certainly, but also for so so many more reasons.

Seems like you have spotted a very high ceiling. Sample size only applies when the "haters" are involved.

Some of you need to join the WS scouting program. People who can spot a player's floor and ceiling after 45 games would be invaluable.

I'm hardly any taller than Nick but I'm not in a profession where height and size and the power that usually comes with that matters. So it's fair to point out his weakness when it comes to athletic performance imo. Some of the other height stuff is just good natured ribbing and maybe the other bit is mean spirited. I really haven't seen too much of the latter here. Nick certainly needs to get on a weight training program and transform his body over the next couple years. He's never going to be Aaron Judge, but he can certainly be Altuve size. If it takes some vitamins to get there, well fucking get them. Most other guys are.

With Boras as his agent and Reinsdorf as our owner, I wouldn’t count on it.

If the White Sox rotation is healthy in September they are as good and deep as anyone this side of southern California and I am not including the Padres. Kopech and Cease coming out of the pen for a playoff run is insane. Health is the key obviously.

No reason to call Madrigal an “ass hat”

I blame it on the vodka and the Henny

Can the mods ban this ass hat?

This is such nonsense. Again he's an above average offensive player with that 737 ops. 800 would put him nearly 20% better than league average. To say he's a bust if he's not 20% better than league average is just blah.

It's partly risk mitigation and partly ethics/morals I believe. Jerry Reinsdorf just fundamentally doesn't believe in giving big bonuses to teenagers. It's a huge problem in this market. Paddy is landing some intriguing low dollar signings and they've cornered the market on advanced Cubans obviously. Marco Paddy obviously knows talent because he recommended Jose Abreu and Luis Robert, signed Fernando Tatis and was in the mix for Vlad Jr and Juan Soto. The money has always been an obstacle. I do think that he prefers to spread the money around but the White Sox just aren't at the table often enough when these guys are 13-14 years old for whatever reason. Something is missing with their strategy in the Dominican Republic. The biggest bonus that they've given to an international teenager (16 year old) is $1.5 million for Micker Adolfo and Franklin Reyes (Franmil's brother). Small market clubs all over the league hand out $3-$5 million bonuses to teenagers ever year. The White Sox will be behind in the marketplace until they change.

I hold hope that the reason the payroll is still a meager 130mil is in anticipation of these eventualities.

They dropped the ball on that one.

In the regular season number 3 or 4 doesn't really matter, doesn't it? Now in the post season that is a huge question but then again it is some time until then and who knows what will happen until then both with performance and health. Right now I would give rodon the nod but a lot can happen especially since rodon has been hurt a lot. Hope he stays healthy and effective though, I would prefer keuchel who I think isn't as bad as he was this year but obviously not as good as last year (more of a 4.0 Era guy or so I think) to be the number 4 in the post season as that would mean the number 3 is better than that.

1. Nick Madrigal is for all intents and purposes still a ROOKIE. Why do so many of you refuse to let prospects develop and adjust? 2. You are looking like a gigantic fucking douchebag with all this smarmy rhetoric and pictures of children. Ironically it's more a portrait that represents the maturity of your behavior. I'll take being short over being an asshole any day. Grow the hell up.

So in 3 years he's projected to achieve a lower WAR than madrigal was projected for before he debuted at the same age. That's your dunk? Zips projected madrigal to be a 3.3 war player this year in less than 500 at bats. Madrigal projection has changed because he has actual big league at bats. Kelenic does not. Usa today? What? Yes, I'm saying you pounding your chest about how Madrigal sucks and they clearly should have drafted kelenic who hasn't even played a mlb game is laughable. There's zero guarantee kelenic is an actual productive big leaguer however much you want to proclaim otherwise.

Let's go back to the segregation of the 1960s south, except instead of by race, it's by vaccination status. Vaccinated = 100/300 levels Not vaccinated = 500 level

Going to the game Sunday. Can't wait to see live baseball again.

I looked at his splits and can't glean anything useful from them that I can cite. I was looking to support or refute the notion that maybe Moncada should forget switch hitting and bat LH no matter who is pitching. I don't know...maybe that would make it easier for him to focus and to adjust to off-speed pitches.

His BABIP suggests he’s having at least some bad luck, and when considered with the COVID he battled and the sample size of 68 games we’re talking about, I tend to think he’ll end up doing at least as well as his career average, which not only includes his insanely good 2019, but also his not great 2018, his meh 2016-17 blip, and his meh 2020-21.

One thing's for sure...Luis Robert, at least, is making a better adjustment (to off-speed stuff) in his "rookie year" (continued) than Yoan in 3-4 seasons. Remember, he spent 2+ seasons just fighting the RH/LH switch-batting issue, then finally seemed to get comfortable on the field when moved from second base to 3rd.

Thank you. The good news is my wife in tiny, but she is tough. She will prevail. The scary news is she is a well insured person going to a top of the line hospital, and the comedy of errors is beyond alarming. What kind of care do the un or under insured get? What if this was life threatening?

But that's not even what I said. You quoted my post and highlighted part of the sentence, and obviously didn't bother to read the sentence you quoted. I stated "and as for the little things, the guy is one of the worst players on the team." And this is correct, if you have been watching the games. Those two likes you got from your totally out of context response to me should be repossessed by SoxTalk authorities and reallocated to their rightful owner (me). Edit: "the little things" refers to smart plays, on-field awareness, fundamental baseball, etc.

I agree it could make sense. But just for the optics that is something that only teams like the Rays do, traditional franchises, even the more progressive ones Usually don't do that because of optics, especially not a franchise with as strong of an owner influence as the sox have.

It's definitely Yermin's fault for having some negative vibes during Tuesday's game. Either TLR pulled him too early or too late.

Remember when you predicted they wouldn't be able to allow in crowds until august

Spend, spend, spend...!!! This is the year to vulture veteran talent off financially challenged rebuilding franchises...

It is odd. If you think about 60% at Guaranteed Rate vs. 60% at the United Center, they don't seem equal as far as how it would feel in either place. However, from what I read, masks would still be mandated. Maybe that has something to do with it.

The jump in capacity limits for both indoor and outdoor "ticketed and seated" events is dramatic. 60% attendance at baseball games would be damn near normal attendance for early season games. Let's hope once things open up we don't screw it up ad have to go backward.