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Davis Martin plz

Damn Rodon's health sucks.

My friend...we are the mediocre team.

And since Michael Kopech is the manager, he gets the final say over such things.

I want to make something clear. I love many of our players, and I want them to succeed. Really, I do. I root for them to win. I root for them to win EVERY GAME. I wish Eloy could stay healthy. He has so much power. But since he can’t, we get to settle for 40-60% of the production we might have if he could stay healthy. Which means he will never be a superstar, but he’s talented enough to produce like a solid second tier player. You know the kind of player- a secondary player you can basically count on to do good things most of the time, but not a star. Like One dog. Ray ray. Carlos Quentin. Jermaine Dye. I wish Luis Robert could stay healthy too, because he’s the one who seems like really could be an actual superstar, someone with such freakish talent that 8 WAR seasons should be pouring off of him year in and year out, but mystery injuries just happen every other week so we will never know. We will just see 100 games or so each season if we are lucky, which I guess also puts him at the production level of a solid second tier player. I wish Yoan wasn’t so inconsistent. I figured he would be a solid 4-5 WAR player, nothing flashy, but good enough, especially considering his strikeouts. After 2019, I think I knew a lot went his way, but I was hoping he would be the top of the solid second tier player. Thats what I hoped for. That seemed like his ceiling. Now I guess bottom of the second tier is his ceiling. I wish Andrew Vaughn could put the power game together but he just can’t seem to do it. And we need it very badly. Because as it stands, he’s just a middle second tier player. Tim has become a really, really good player. Is he exceptional? No, not really. He doesn’t belong in the same conversation with the best shortstops, but he’s probably…you guessed it! The top of the second tier. I wish Abreu was 30 instead of 35, because he’s still so fucking good and I want him to have something to show for this other than a career of pouring his heart and soul into an inept franchise run by nincompoops, appointed by an old man who has lost touch with the game, and run on the field by an absolutely bewildered coot. It is a National embarassment. Jose Abreu is a great player. God, I love him. Will he ever have another .900 OPS season? Probably not, but he was never really a stratospheric, first tier superstar. He was always….yep, a second tier superstar, having probably his second or third best season. The bottom of our order? A bunch of second tier castaways and also rans that are not even good enough to be first tier also rans. What can I say about Leury that hasn’t already been said? He’s a part time utility guy any sane team would have in their lineup 40 games of the year. We end up with Josh Harrison playing out the very end of his string with a lot of hustle but not enough talent, especially in high leverage situations. We end up with AJ Pollock who doesn’t seem to have anything left worth much of anything. We send out a stray Gavin Sheets to remind us that we never really ever learn the lesson provided to us by Daniel Palka: older than 26 year old left handed slugging rookies are in the minors for a reason. Jake Burger who doesn’t have a position. Adam Engel who always had some promise but I don’t know why. I can’t even remember honestly. All of this is to say that the White Sox are a team that went out and assembled the largest bunch of second tier players ever with no superstar offensive player, and thought they were gaming the system by stacking the deck with The Hall of Pretty Good. And it turns out that sometimes you just have to go out and sign an actual goddamned superstar or two, and this Organization of Cheapskates was so fucking smart that they thought their way into a ten year debacle of albatross contracts and a rotating clown car of indifference, incompetence, and injury. I have never felt more trapped as a fan in my life.

5.0 IP 2 H 9 SO 0 BB for Burke.

I'd honestly rather watch that lineup hit than the White Sox one.

Never knew that he worked for the IRS, another reason to despise him.

Frankly shocked they didn't again play shorthanded for three or four days trying to figure out what was wrong with him. Like seemingly every guy part of the core group for the rebuild Kopech just can't stay healthy. And TLR absolutely did him no favors yesterday.

They have a better record having played in a much tougher division. At this point, they're just better, right?

They play dumb, lazy baseball. Have played that way since first game of this season. Never has a situation been more obvious that a managerial change was needed.

Early in the broadcast he was trying to explain that most of these kids can't even get into the strip club across the street without saying "strip club."

1-4 against Orioles, losing record to KC and on and on. Most underachieving team in MLB by a mile.

This team is no longer underachieving, they are just flat out bad.

Like someone said earlier, while Hahn is pumping $ millions and $ millions in the bullpen, everyone else is building theirs on the cheap with home grown people and scraps.

Here comes Robert to K on three pitches

Baltimore announcer just said Sox have fewest outfield assists in MLB.

Orioles have 4 runs on 3 hits! It would take the Sox 16 hits to score 4 runs.

This team sucks

Can’t be hitting fly balls opposite field. Yoan posed like he crushed that ball and it was 315 feet and probably 65 feet away from a homer.

Honestly, my guess is our 5 man analytics department will figure out the ball isn’t juiced anymore and this offensive approach simply doesn’t work. They’ll just be 12 months too late and it will have cost us a season.

this team is so easy to dislike

Well this is a fun lineup.

I don't know about that, but I'd feel bad for the worms.

The ghost of Freddie Mercury singing the 2022 White Sox theme

In just two short years the Sox have gone from "must see TV" to "change the channel." Very sad.

Awesome job pitching him yesterday

Him taking steroids now would be the dumbest thing ever. Perfect way to ruin his legacy.

Wondering what season you have been watching? I guess according to your analysis everything is just hunky dory. All the key components to a winning playoff club are solid and all checked off: Great Manager Great coaching staff Players staying healthy and not getting injured Players performing to their abilities and expectations Front office making great signing and trades Developing plenty of yearly talent with a winning farm system Consistent clutch hitting with RISP Consistent home run production Great defensive team Strong and consistent starting rotation Bullpen that always comes through and doesn't blow leads Hey pal, I feel your pain as a lifelong diehard Sox fan myself. This has been an extremely frustrating year. However to sugarcoat this flawed organization and be blinded to the fact that Reinsdorf, Hahn, TLR and the players have done a horrible job and everything will be fine...is purely delusional. It's ok to be a huge fan, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the club on the sad facts of the matter.

The guy everybody else on the forum wanted, Escobar, isn't actually doing any better than Harrison. And he's making twice the amount with another guaranteed year on his contract. Brad Miller, another guy some on this forum wanted (myself included), has been worth -1.2 WAR this year. And he has another year on his contract. The problem isn't that Harrison is actually a bad player, he's a flawed player who the Sox are relying on way too much. He's being paid like a utility player and he's producing at exactly that level. It's Hahn's fault that we're relying on him to be the everyday 2nd baseman when he's really not that type of player anymore. The previous FA class also sucked terribly for second baseman. Pretty much everyone in the class has sucked. Even Semien, the best of the class, has been decidedly mediocre this year and his OPS actually isn't that much higher than Harrison's. The Kimbrel trade was a disaster, but would Nick Madrigal be putting up a .750 OPS with us after his hamstring injury? Cause he's having trouble cracking .600 with the Cubs. All in all, if you look at all of the options the Sox had, they all suck. And Harrison is somehow one of the best options and we're only paying him $5.5 million.

Here’s the just missed: https://soxmachine.com/futuresox/just-missed-white-sox-prospects-just-outside-the-midseason-2022-top-30/ Here’s the podcast: https://soxmachine.com/futuresox/futuresox-podcast-chicago-white-sox-midseason-top-30-prospect-special/ Prospects 16-30: https://soxmachine.com/general/chicago-white-sox-mid-season-top-30-16-30 Heres 1-15: https://soxmachine.com/futuresox/chicago-white-sox-mid-season-top-30-1-15/

I felt a tingle down my leg when I read the title of the thread.

My guess is next time Kopech's rotation spot comes up, Martin takes Banks' roster spot and makes the start.

I’m just here for the Cease.

The WS are pathetic. Extremely hard to watch.

So many words.

Nobody would expect that.

For someone of Hahn's background, if the family's financial security is the priority then it would be as easy as walking out and finding another job. Probably not in baseball, but almost certainly one that pays at least as much if not more than he's making now. If seeing the Sox win a championship is the priority, then there has to be a calculation of when things have gotten so far off on the wrong track that leaving is the only way to possibly get them back on track. We may not have been at that point previously, but it sure seems like we're there now.

It continues to amaze me how simple some people view the world. I know simple makes for better posting, but there are a million reasons why people stay with bad bosses, especially in situations where quitting isn't as easy as walking out of Lowes and next door into Office Max.

You take your logic and get the fuck out of here. No room for that in White Sox land.

The problem with Harrison is, he is past his prime. He is 35 years old. That has been Hahn's flawed theme since last year. He added all these older players past their better years since last year: Harrison 35 Diekman 35 Kelly 34 Pollack 34 The only good addition to the roster older was Cueto at 36. The fact is, we are in year 6 of the rebuild. We are going backwards instead of forwards. If Hahn and his front office would have drafted and developed the minor leagues better, maybe we could have been adding younger players from the minors each year to add to the roster.

I think that was from late 2020 or early 2021. At the time I was actually on board with it. The offense had relied so incredibly heavily no the home run that it was feast-or-famine a lot of games. I interpreted his "fuck the home run" attitude as a "let's focus on good at-bats as a primary approach, and home runs will come." Not "don't hit home runs." You know - I was viewing it though a lens of common sense.

I understand what you are saying and agree with most of your post, but I think you are drastically undervaluing the players you have mentioned. Eloy is 25 and has regressed every year since his rookie season when he had a 1.5 WAR. At age 25, Carlos Quentin had a 5.3 WAR, an OPS of .965, and would have been the MVP if he hadn't stupidly broke his hand. He was the main reason the Sox won the division that year. Jermaine Dye was the freaking World Series MVP and had an OPS of 1.006 in 2006. He had a 4.6 WAR in his age 32 season, which is more than Eloy has put up for his entire career. Lance Johnson was soooo underrated. (And unlike almost all of the current Sox players, so much fun to watch.) He had a 6.1 WAR for the Sox when they won the division in 1993, and then a 7.2 WAR season for the Mets in 1996. Ray Durham is the 2nd or 3rd best 2B the White Sox have had in 122 years of existence. He had 12 years in his career with an OPS of +.800. My point is, all of those guys you mentioned WERE stars, and don't deserve to be compared to Jimenez, Robert, Moncada, or Vaughn.

Don’t be losing any sleep over this k? Plenty of baseball left

Have you ever worked for a company that doesn't hold bad or mediocre employees accountable? The bad ones never leave. And that company gets filled with average to below average workers where no matter their level of effort they are never punished. That's a lazy person's dream. That's the White Sox organization. If it was such a dream organization to work for, they'd have a line out the door of the best of the best wanting to work for them.

I've never been a fan of blaming the hitting coach, but the entire team with a power outage in an era of baseball where the home run has never been more important? Every day they do nothing is a missed opportunity to at least try to improve. It's pretty clear status quo is going to mean status quo. They won last night which is great. They scored 2 runs. Perhaps the Charlotte hitting coach should be on the plane with Perez.

The season was already lost. Trading prospects to try and save a sinking ship is dumb