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If Hahn doesn't go out the door also, this means nothing.

Never should have taken the job in the first place, eat a bag of ____s Tony ... that is all

rewarding Andrus for his play really is how you end up paying Leury Garcia 3 yrs 15 million.

I wouldn't put it past him to say so long to this sorry organization and take the buyout. If he takes the 5 mil and signs with a contending organization for 5-8 million he'll be in a better situation and will make nearly the same money. Who wouldn't take the buyout to get themselves away from the Chicago White Sox.

This franchise is its own worst enemy. They have earned the ire of every fan. The benefit of the doubt is gone. Look, I could even live with Cleveland beating this team, and beating them handily. But when you roll over like a little b**** and quit, nope. Not going to pretend to support it. f*** these guys. Go play golf.

Go Twins.

“AJ Pollock's second plate appearance today will give him 500 for the season, which means his option for 2023 will be $13M, which will make it harder to take a $5M buyout, which prolongs the consequences of exercising Craig Kimbrel's option.” There we go with that $1 million again that could have gotten us out entirely from Kimbrel. But not no escape is possible. Now we have a fourth outfielder nearing age 35 paid like a starter (when at best a platoon player going forward) hopelessly out of position if do choose to leave Eloy in LF, along with “You’ll Love Him Eventually” Joe Kelly, Leury, Moncada, Diekman, Grandal…this is the definition of insanity, and doesn’t even encompass Bummer, Graveman or Hendriks. So now they’re basically forcing Pollock back on the 2023 roster. Congrats. Stellar work! Which means they’re likely going to have to trade the younger and (potentially) more valuable pieces like Vaughn or Jimenez, Crochet, Giolito, TA, Lynn, to clean up the currently poorly-constructed roster and significantly reduce payroll. They’re acting like the A’s or Reds and attempting to deliberately alienate their fanbase, aren’t they? If this was a publicly traded company, there would be a massive investor-driven lawsuit…what next, Abreu for $20 million with another pointless option year tacked on for every possible perspective but Jerry Reinsdorf’s? If that’s not bad enough, we can’t even manage to reward the players who actually showed up to play down the stretch like Cueto and Andrus. Instead, we massively overplay guys who don’t even want to be members of the White Sox pr even professional baseball players any longer. Only in the AL and NL Central would this be possible. I mean, I might actually take Pittsburgh’s Cruz Missile, Suwinski, Hayes and Reynolds over this nonsense.

He hasn't been the same since The Fridge got a TD in the '85 Superbowl and he didn't.

Count me as thrilled that Tony is completely out, and not being kicked upstairs. Remove the tumor, let the body heal.

And Jerry. He was the one that put TLR there

When guys talk a big game and then don’t back it up, you remember.

I hope they get swept here too.

Problem is with the current front office I'd have no hope in a rebuild. It'd just be more bad baseball but cheaper.

It's also worth noting that no one on this team beat offensive expectations, with several players having the worst seasons of their careers. Oftentimes, we can point to a coaching issue when things like this happen. This is ESPECIALLY true when Fegan reported that there were problems in the clubhouse between the manager and hitting coach and, by extension, the players, being TLR insisted on sacrificing power for contact. Did they feel like they were going to get yelled at for striking out? Were homers almost frowned upon? These guys all came up in lift-and-pull environments and now they're asked to completely change their approaches? Point being, I'm not putting a ton of stock into this season's offensive numbers. Like the rest of this season and roster, it's been tainted by a manager who had no business managing in this league.

Oh my lord people, stop rationalizing. I would rather take my chances with any minor league right fielder who is defensively above average for league minimum than being back a 0.6 WAR player for $8 million. It is sheer, senseless, boneheaded, stupid general managing.

Despite having a bad offensive season, Pollock is very far down on my list on guys I have issues with returning for 2023. The guy was available to play most nights (which for this team is already a win). And when he plays, he plays 100% both running the bases and in the OF. Assuming Abreu walks: Pollock in LF, Eloy as DH, and Vaugh as 1B is the way to go. Get rid of of no use Engel also.

Yeah, I go back and forth on it. Pollock is a solid major league OF on a team with only 1 other at this moment, and he (Robert) is proving unable to stay healthy. Pollock had a s%*# season, but he could easily bounce back next year. I don't see him being any worse against RHP, to be honest. If used to fill in until Colas is ready, and then used as the 4th OF thereafter getting a couple starts a week and filling in for injuries, he could be well worth the net $8M. Now of course, saving $8M on 2023 payroll (really $13M because the buyout is due in 2022) gives the Sox some much needed breathing room under $200M. It probably gives them the ability to sign Nimmo and a solid 5th SP and be around $190M. But will that $ actually get reinvested? We're also looking at Sheets playing the OF for 4-6 weeks until Colas arrives in that scenario. I honestly don't hate the thought of Pollock coming back. In the scheme of things, this isn't a big deal IMO.

While paying Pollock $13M isn’t ideal, a they owe him $5M regardless. A net cost of $7M to have a solid OF on the roster that doesn’t have to play everyday ideally isn’t the worst thing in the world. Pollock is going to come in handy when Robert and whatever OF we sign get hurt. It’s not ideal, but of all the issues, a net $7M to Pollock isn’t the worst one. While unlikely, I have always gotten the feeling that Pollock just didn’t fit in on this roster. He is a wealthy man; he may be willing to take a small pay cut, and that is all it would be, to choose his team for next year.

I think that Pollock increasing his option by hitting his contract incentives is entirely worthy of a thread

Never seen a team quit this much. The few at bats I’ve seen have been pathetic, like if you or I was seeing a slider for the first time ever.

Russian trolls should not be allowed on this site imho.

Can not root for the Sox to lose. Goes against every fiber of the way my grain is wired. Just can't do it. I can get plenty pissed off at 'em, but. Go you White Sox!!@!@

A true Sox fan is never going to root against the team. Anyway. Good luck to Sox fans living on Florida's West cost. It could be rough if some of the predictions come true.

Can't root for Minnesota....probably won't watch much or any of the game...but I cannot root for the Twinkies. Woohoo, a higher draft pick. This group of shitheads would screw up a #1 pick so I am not going to be excited about moving up a couple of spots....just grab the best available 1B/DH and roll with him.

Next Wednesday around 6pm can’t come soon enough. Hopefully we know La Russa is officially done by then. And then the rest of the staff gets the boot soon after. They have to bring in a new staff. That’s a must at this point. And no I don’t give a s%*# if they finish .500 or higher. Get in the draft lottery, and hope for a miracle.

Put me on the "Go Twins" train. Time for public shaming of the whole organization.

So it quitting on this season, but here we are.

So much money wasted on scrubs. Should have just paid Manny or Harper to be honest. We all knew that though, we aren't the cheap bastards.

I dislike him too. You know the best revenge? Win. Drilling him in the back just distracts you from the actual goal of the game. Plus, with a guy like him, if you drill him, he’ll just get more fired up and own you even worse. Just win. Make better pitches. Hit better. Field better. Then listen to the sound of him shutting the f*** up.

The Diekman acquisition too locked them into wasted money for next season as well. They sure make odd decisions, based on chasing their tails it seems

The Angels and Red Sox were the only non-playoff teams to spend more money per win than the White Sox. Payroll is not the issue. Hahn's horrible decision making and inability to understand how to build a baseball team is the issue. We have a long track resord of this.

Tim says a lot of stuff........He went from being one of my favorite players to just another dude making stupid choices and sucking at baseball.

FIRE RICK HAHN

I remember Tim saying "they gotta go through us." Well guess what they did, Tim.

I would much rather go through another rebuild than endure another s%*# season like 2022 is/was. At least during a rebuild you have hope for the future. The 2022 season was by far the worst I've ever experienced.

Every team has a breaks to win it all. 2005, was lightning in a bottle...but it was dominant lightning by all metrics. If we were in New York or LA, they would be considered one of the best post-season teams of all time.

And who else was going to offer us something/anything for Kimbrel other than the Dodger's................? We needed to part ways with Kimbrel and the trade solved that, while it didn't solve our outfield problems, imagine having no Pollock to take innings away from having to play Sheets everyday compared to watching the bird man blow another game for us. No thanks, I'll take Pollock.

As I mentioned before, he somehow made the bad Kimbrel trade worse. Amazing incompetence. Hahn is obviously a bright guy, but is there much evidence to suggest any of that intellect includes building a MLB team? Please let him go. Maybe you can bring him back in 30 years if you feel bad about it.

Sure, and they paid Bellinger $17 million instead.

Yeah a small monetary hit for the chance to be where he wants to be might have serious appeal at this point in his career. He gets $5M regardless and might just want to get as far away from this mess as possible, and honestly who could blame him.

Ricky Renteria is looking pretty good right now.

I know I'm just adding to the problem, but does this really require its own thread?

Yup..... right at the intersection of "suck" and "blow".

JR doesn't respond to my letters anymore. Its really a shame because I've really had some good ideas for the franchise. He knows who I am. I've talked to him a few times at Soxfest. He simply won't respond to me anymore. Being a season ticket holder you would think I would get some type of respnse from him but thats not the case anymore.

Colas 3 for 3 with a double. There’s you starting right fielder folks.

It’s so dumb that the sun times requires a subscription to read s%*# like this.

Play it on repeat baby….

It’s exactly what they deserve…both teams.