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I might be done if this happens. Following a baseball team shouldn't be this miserable.

cant wait for the day he topples over, i have a bottle of champagne for the occasion

If they hire Dayton frickin Moore, as a protest, I’m switching my allegiance from the Sox to porn. 24/7.

It's time. I don't agree with the end of the first sentence, agree with the rest of it. I won't be looking for another team if this happens. I will just back off baseball until Jerry is gone and there is hope for the future.

That's total bullshit that guys's a fucking idiot. Kenny and Hahn both wanted Harper badly (maybe the only player they ever agreed on) but Hahn fucked it up when he thought it was a good idea to put his hero Boras and Reinsdorf in a room together to negotiate the deal. It took about 30 seconds for them to start screaming at each other and that was the end of that. They pivoted to Machado after it was obvious Reinsdorf was never going to sign Harper.

The Mariners have 2 eight game winning streaks this month. The Sox had 1 seven game winning streak during Rick Hahn's 11 seasons as a GM.

What's hilarious/insanely depressing about all of this is if you asked Sox fans what is the absolute WORST case scenario that could happen after Rick/Kenny were let go.....Having Tony LaRussa help Jerry settle on Chris Getz/Dayton Moore would probably be No. 1 on the list. And that's exactly what they are going to do.

Go f*** yourself Jerry Reinsdorf.

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It always blows my mind that people don't believe it's possible to be stupid and rich at the same time. Despite all the evidence to the contrary... Being really successful at one specific thing doesn't mean you're smarter than everyone else. It doesn't even mean you're smart. It's one of the biggest logical fallacies there is. Reinsdorf made his fortune off of exploiting tax loopholes in real estate. He knew tax law, and was in the right place at the right time when it came to Frank Lyon Co. vs. United States. He got some investors to buy into his idea of tax shelters, and got rich off of it. Nothing he has said or done outside of this specific thing tells me that he's a smart man. In fact, I think his money has given him delusions about how smart he is, and handicapped him the entire duration of his sports ownership. This is a guy who thought he was the reason the Bulls won all those championships... and it could be replicated without the greatest player of all time. Come on.

Jerry hired Tony…he is stupid

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By removing Kenny and Rick for the organization, at the bare minimum, you allow yourself the opportunity to sit down with smart minds from around the league and get a free assessment of your organization and what needs to be done to your operations to create a winner. All it costs you is time and preparation. But by all accounts, even that is too much work for the White Sox. Grandpa LaRussa is now calling the shots, and Chris Getz seems like the perfect fit, because he's of course...already part of the family. f***.This.Organization.

On the bright side, if Getz is the GM, he won't be in development anymore. That's a positive.

JR is pushing 90 yrs old. He is not changing or caring about anyone else opinion. That is how 99% of old people are. They aren't interested at all in any kind of change. He is definately looking to sell the team and he was forced to fire RH and KW because he was convinced that keeping them would not allow him to get the maximum amount of money for the team. And money rules his world. If this Getz hire comes about all Sox fans need to cancel season tickets if they have them. They need to not support the team in any way until JR is no longer the owner. I'm a life long Sox fan. It will be hard and it will suck. But I'm done supporting an owner who could care less about me as a fan and could care less about winning.

I'd like to get off the ride now

I don't recall ever saying this

yeah so last night was episode IV a new hope and this is episode V empire strikes back but then it's extremely unsuccessful and the series is canceled before episode VI

We had a good like 13 hours.

Incredible. 40% of our wins are via passed balls.

And also, fire Katz.

87 year old Jerry Reisndorf is relying on the 78 year old Tony La Russa to make the best determination on how his baseball team should be run in 2023 and beyond. Let's stop pretending Jerry Reinsdorf is a completely logical and rational person that makes sound decisions based on logic.

So nothing really changes? I kid!

It's like Bizarro Godfather 3, just when I thought I was back in, they pushed me back out.

Naw. Deciding baseball players in drafts and trades based on whether they are Christian or not rather than based on their baseball skills, that's bad. Hiring people for a baseball team based on whether they're Christian or not rather than based on their abilities, that's bad.

Dayton Moore is somehow worse than just hiring Getz. Yes...the 14/15 royals were good. It took FOREVER to build up that team. Then he oversaw just an astonishingly bad rebuild where he recouped nothing of value from his talent and despite top draft budgets, big INTL budgets and room to develop the royals have one of the worst farms in baseball 6 years after the rebuild started. And a team that is worse than the sox. That's amazing...aMAZing to hire someone where you can squint and say "Hahn is probably better"

Props to Kenny Williams. Anyone who says the 2005 team was "lucky" is a fucking idiot. That team was really, really good and I'll always be thankful. Watching them was the greatest sports experience of my life. On to the future.

I think Chris Getz oversaw one of the worst development programs in MLB

https://theathletic.com/4800567/2023/08/23/chicago-white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf-shakeup/

Congrats to Chris Getz on his frirst of many career wins as White Sox GM! It was a well played game with a great game plan!

Such a White Sox way to win a game

Watching Kopech pitch is worse than root canal.

I had an irrational love for wanting to watch him play defense and run the bases

The Royals caught lightning in a bottle by having 7 prospects all hit at once, turning it into a single two-year window that interrupted a four decade run of total ineptitude. 28 teams saw this and realized it was a shitty way to try to build a winner. The White Sox have been trying to emulate it, in every way, ever since. Concentrating all of your assets and resources into a single group of players, at the expense of investing in an actual pipeline, and as an excuse for not investing in obtaining elite players from other available means, is the clearest and most transparently dumb way to try to win that has existed in MLB in my entire lifetime. Jerry Reinsdorf appears to be on the cusp of doubling down on it yet again.

Yes, the cascade of leaks that "Hahn is a victim" and "Hahn wanted to do X, but KW/JR wouldn't let him" has begun. I'm not falling for it.

Yes, April 2009.

Did anyone think JR was going to change? This organization was horseshit from the day they bought the team.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. JR is still around to kill SOx fans hope and dreams unfortuntaely.

The man is poison plain and simple. The worst sports owner in Chicago history. Now we are just counting out the days when he either sells the team or takes his dirt nap. Get fucked JR.

Normally when people make these threads and I have nothing positive to say I stay away. This time…no. I am disappointed he can only be fired from his job as I also want him fired by catapult.

I’m glad the team has cut ties with them but I hope Kenny Williams does stay involved with baseball. If MLB wants to make more of an effort trying to increase black engagement with the sport, Kenny Williams should lead that.

According to the scratch marks on the bathroom wall at the Moody Center in Austin, TX @caulfield12 is going to be the next White Sox gm

The timing of the teams new stadium announcement, and the changing of the management may be related. I heard a group led by Melody Hobson who already owns 30% of nonvoting Sox stock, CEO of Ariel Investments, Chairwoman of Starbucks and George Lucas wife is part of the potential new ownership group (she is already part of the current nonvoting ownership). Reinsdorf's son would own 25% and that would shelter part of the capital gains tax. Another new investor may be part of the group too. In the end, it's all up to the fact they must hire the right person for President of Baseball Operations and give them full authority over all baseball decisions. Getz, Grifol, Haber are all lame ducks until the new Baseball President is hired. And I believe Jerry will be out of the picture. I truly think Jerry is done and wants to walk away. Ownership consortiums like these are a rarity today, usually they are billionaires looking for a "hobby" investment. But it has to be better than the current structure both at the Board level as well as the Kenny / Rick arrangement. Call me an optimist but I hear and foresee more changes coming in the next several months