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A catcher who can't catch would be the most on brand signing ever.

I want them to name it "A Seat at the Table." Each table has a missed FA signing photoshopped in Sox jersey for decoration.

what anti-worker point are you trying to make here, exactly? You do this all the time. Yes, Tex, we all agree if this past season taught us 1 thing it's that the owners deserve to pocket more money, it certainly shouldn't go to the people doing the actual work or anything. You're all over the damn place but you tend to come back to the same old chestnuts.

Let’s maybe give Pedro a chance first.

second base wasn't really the place we were gonna help with our handedness issue. Benintendi, Colas need to join a resurgent Grandal/Moncada to really make a dent.

From a free agency perspective, does a Rougned Odor or Yolmer Sanchez interest you? Its rough out there. Honestly, Harrison probably is the best option. I'd rather just roll with the kids, or try to get someone like Wendle from MIA.

It wasn't the price per year that was necessarily asinine, it was the duration. He was coming off years of okay WAR. And assuming $6-8mm per WAR? It wasn't the dumbest signing, but duration against age was. 2017 1.1WAR 2018 0.8 WAR 2019 1.3 WAR 2020 0.8 WAR 2021 2.2 WAR Contract signed: 2022 (0.9) WAR 6.2 WAR over 5 years = 1.24 WAR. Discount a bit for age and diminishing role on a better roster and you maybe come up with 0.75WAR per year. Which does equal approximately that $5-7mm contract annually. The issue again was duration. It was a poor contract based on duration, but also especially if Hahn was given the directive that he has ___ amount of money to build a team. Paying nearly $6mm annually for a utility player is a luxury & is not for a team with budgetary concerns. I'm not a Leury apologist and do think he likely returns to that 0.5 - 1 WAR value in 2023, but definitely a below average contract. He's turned into the defacto poster boy for our problems which i think is a bit unfair. End of the day he's returned 4WAR for $16mm in his time with the Sox. The problem isn't Leury ... it's either the budget or that TLR gave him too big of a role & at poor places in the order.

This is a good signing. Surprised he signed a NRI. Makes you realize how FUCKING ASSININE the Leury contract is.

Booo, this really isn't the thread for posts like this.

I think the obvious way this would go wrong is that they cut or trade Zavala to clear the roster spot, and in order the quality of catchers out of this group next year turn out to be Zavala, McGuire, Grandal, Sanchez, best to worst.

We know the Sox have never been wrong on someone's medicals or used limited resources in an inefficient way before.

Actually this would be an excellent value signing. Despite his reputation as a bat first catcher who can't catch, last year he had positive defensive numbers (FG had him with positive defensive stats and baseball savant had him in the 79th percentile in pop time, framing was league average at 50). Xwoba was above average and xslug was well above average. He was a reverse splits hitter last year with 99 wrc+ vs RHP and only 64 vs LHP, which is fine for us. On a cheap deal this makes alot of sense. A catcher who is a league average hitter against RHP is great esp if his defensive improvements hold. We have literally nothing reliable at C this is a good bridge until when Yaz is off the books.

Knowing these idiots, they probably will platoon Yaz and Vaughn at 1B

That person has tried (and failed numerous times) playing "insider" this off-season

There obviously is time to make moves, but to me, I don’t know why fans should be excited. They weren’t good enough last year, lost their best player and leader, and at least 3rd best starter for nothing. Replaced the starter with a more expensive question mark. Signing Benitendi seems good, but I hope they really don’t think he’s the savior for which they are making him . Pedro has to be better than Tony, I ll give them that, but relying on the rest of the roster to remain healthy let alone have big time bounce back seasons? How baked is Hahn?

I'd rather they give other guys chances than keep trying what isn't working like they did with Harrison. They should have pulled the plug on that in like May.

The other day (yesterday maybe), Bernstein & Holmes mentioned a video they saw of Robert recently doing some kind of slow boxing/sparring with gloves vs another person wearing hand pads. The bottom line was that, to B & H, Luis looked to have gained weight & not the good kind. I haven't seen it but if true, it wouldn't surprise me. There's so many loafers on this team that just don't give a crap and the org doesn't see a need to hold anyone accountable for not being the best player they possible can. They're too busy living the good life to care about playing serious baseball for the White Sox. Its hard to envision that this team will ever be dedicated to playing winning baseball and won't even surpass last season's mediocrity. Guardians will win div by at least 15 games.....over Twins. That team & org is scary good!

Last season, the Boston Bruins and Celtics ended up with new coaches. At this point, both teams have the best records in their respective leagues. So, who knows what change can bring?

Yeah, we all took a barebones rebuild as a sign they were changing how they operated. How naive we were.

The goose was good though. We all know why we were bad last year and it was because the goose was gone.

I suppose I was too naïve at that time to realize that what the sustained success thing actually meant was "if everything breaks our way, we will be not completely irrelevant for several years in a row."

If you operate the way the Sox do, windows are a real thing. You don't spend on premium players and you don't draft or develop talent especially well, you're not consistently fielding a competitive team year in and year out.

If it is crowded at least Sox fans will finally realize how difficult it is to "have a seat at the table" and appreciate our management a little more.

Not sure what long game moves you are talking about. Those only occurred during the rebuild. The Sox have pretty much always in Reinsdorf's ownership played the short game . You always have to play the long game but that includes getting better in the IFA market and drafting and developing better . When you have more depth because of that, it makes you better at the short game filling holes internally. If the Sox long game was actually good as you suggest you would think they'd be in contention a lot more in a crappy division than they have been.

January 12, 1982 - In the January phase of the amateur draft that no longer exists today, the White Sox unearthed the unlikeliest of success stories. John Cangelosi was selected with the No. 433 overall pick, befitting a 5´8´´ fireplug of a player. He played at Miami Dade College. Three years later, Cangelosi made his Major League debut in Chicago, and in 1986 he leapfrogged the more highly-touted Daryl Boston to make the Opening Day roster as Chicago’s center fielder and leadoff hitter. He swiped 39 bases by the All-Star break, but then was benched rather curiously by midseason manager replacement Jim Fregosi. His best hitting game with the Sox came early in that same 1986 season when he banged out four hits in a 4-3 loss to Milwaukee at Comiskey Park on April 9. Traded to Pittsburgh after the 1986 season, Cangelosi would play 11 more years in the big leagues, winning a World Series with the 1997 Florida Marlins. January 12, 2000 - Sox G.M. Ron Schueler made amends for some of his worst moves by shipping disgruntled pitcher Jamie Navarro to Milwaukee as part of a four-player deal. In exchange he got long ball hitting shortstop Jose Valentin and pitcher Cal Eldred. Both would play a large part in the unexpected divisional championship in 2000. Eldred went 10-2 in 20 starts for the team that season before an elbow injury basically ended his White Sox career in July. Valentin played five years on the South Side averaging 120 hits, 27 home runs and 76 RBI's in those years and he was a Cub-killer. One of the highlights in Jose's White Sox stint was a very rare accomplishment, a ‘natural’ cycle which took place against the Orioles on April 27, 2000. He singled in the first, doubled in the second, tripled in the third and homered in the eighth inning in a 13-4 win. For the day he went 4 for 5 with five RBI’s and two runs scored.

I just hate that our 2B mix is all guys who all hit from the right side and a switch-hitter who hits better right-handed. It is what it is I guess.

Lol, jinx.

I think I've talked myself into signing Rougned Odor (if he has to settle for a minor league deal) for the 2B competition in Spring Training. Just looked him up and was shocked to see his age.

You really need a guy with that killer mentality as your number 2 for it to be successful.

They wouldn't. But that's not really the deal that was being discussed.

Yes, I think TA will be better than Chisholm the next 2 years. This proposed trade just shifts the hole in the infield from 2B to SS. Doesn't make any sense to me. I'd love to acquire Jazz, but for it to make sense, you'd need it to be for prospects, not TA or AV....in my opinion.

Why would Marlins trade 4 years of Jazz for TA?

I've been making this point continuously on here all offseason. I don't know why I find myself defending Leury - I actually don't like him at all - but folks are acting like his $5.5M AAV (literally like 2.5% of the payroll) actually meaningfully changes things. If Leury has an average season for him in 2023 and 2024, he quite literally will be worth his contract. Furthermore, the Sox are paying Leury regardless. Cutting him solves nothing, especially when there aren't any better options in the org. Cutting him and then signing another utility player (say Jonathan Villar) just makes the dollar problem worse, and you probably aren't getting a better player. If Leury continues his awful play into 2023 - then ya, give him the Keuchel treatment. But there is no good reason to cut him right now. It was an awful deal, likely led by TLR. But it is what it is, and its not really the difference between anything.

So officially Kevin Warren as Bears prez. Not surprising, when these things leak it's usually close to the finish line as more parties get brought in (contracts, referrals, vetting). Hope he's good, I wanted someone from Liberty Media and the Braves but getting someone from NFL/Football who can handle stadium construction funding and all that's involved is a plus for the McCaskeys.

So like 8 people can watch from two plastic tables? Lot of teams put their destination bars in the upper deck. Sox have their 2 both in the lower deck so not sure what I was expecting but still underwhelming even in the concept photos. Guess the UD can take all they can get.

Misjudged the market once again

why

3 straight good minor league signings. These are good to have. I guess I am assuming this is a MiLB deal

Nobody pushed any politics other than yourself. There’s no denying that. Liam is a person that helps people.

Could this be end of Leury Garcia?? Just pondering out loud.

A few of us have or are experiencing cancer on a personal or family level and can relate to what Liam and his family are and will be going through. Ideally, Liam can go into remission and return as Closer. Perhaps a more realistic hope is that he goes into remission and lives a long life, with or without a career in baseball. It doesn't matter in the larger scheme of things but I wonder if this disease was diagnosed by a team physician or his personal doctor, Whoever diagnosed it that they apparently did so early on so he has the best chance of recovering 100%. I have not been a big baseball fan of Liam going so far as suggesting he be traded for Gleybar Torres, but I have grown to like him on a personal level because of his charitable work and his commitment to the WSox and our City. He's is a great man with the heart of a lion and will not be beaten by this disease.

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So human rights is leftist and or political. Cool cool. Seriously, GTFO with that noise.

The Coca Colas Bear isn't amused.

Seems like you’re the one using it to push politics. The post you’re quoting is merely “pushing” some of the great work Liam has done in the local community.

LGBTQ right are leftist politics?

Great let's use this as an excuse to push leftist politics.

They need a casino and Oriental spa, maybe miniature golf.