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This manager sets the tone and it sucks. I saw so much sloppiness from this team. They do little things wrong and it has been put up with far too long under this regime. Kopech flubs a ball covering first (vs dp)…leads to a run. Robert doesn’t tag on a ball he should have been…should have been on 3rd with 0 or 1 outs vs stuck on 2nd…which should lead to a run. They had lefty on mound and runners on - great situation to put in Vaughn as a pinch hitter (vs letting a .200 batter hit). Nope let the .200 batter hit. Over course of the season constantly tolerating shit out of the little things and putting your squad on bad situations compounds. Honest to god - he is as bad of a mgr as I have seen. Tham just watch the Angels run their shifts - dynamic depending on count and situation vs Sox vanilla shifts. Straight up incompetence. Players are part of it but mgr and willingness to not hold players accountable (honestly the one thing I thought he would do) is just beyond pathetic. FU White Sox for screwing up such a good team. This includes having a hitting coach who is doing the exact opposite of every team in baseball regarding launch angle.

This season is so frustrating because everything looked so bright coming out of 2020. Its like this teams demise started once Tony LaRussa was hired. 😕

Montgomery's streak is up to 38 now. RBI single in the 8th to extend it.

Why haven't you made any moves to improve the current team? Was it this medical staff that advised you not to offer Carlos Rodon the QO? Why do you continue to misevaluate the free agent market? Why didn't you add an impact LHH? Why didn't you upgrade RF? Why didn't you upgrade the starting rotation? Why didn't you upgrade the defense? Why didn't you add more team depth? Why did you put so much money in the bullpen?

Someone explain to me why any credence was put into the screenshotted post from Ray Ray. They didn't even screenshot his instagram and people fucking ran with it without even looking at his page.

Fire Tony!!!!

Lololol Tony not looking at or caring about results explains a lot

You can see that the Sox organization is an absolute joke with player development Cesar Prieto and Oscar Colas were signed at 23 years old. Both decided to forfeit almost all of their contract to come stateside right away. Both being older were almost assuredly under the impression that if they were able to perform well that they would be on a faster track to the majors then other prospects. Both Prieto and Colas were raking at A+ for the first month. At that time the Baltimore Orioles promoted Prieto to AA. The Sox chose to keep Colas down, why, no reason why. A+ was solely intended to let both players shake off the rust and get used to American baseball and a routine. Its not been a month past when Prieto was promoted to AA. Colas is still at A+ and continuing to rake. Then comes Colson Montgomery who raked at A ball to a similar tune that Colas was doing at A+. Colson gets promoted to A+ while Colas is still forced to stay at A+. Then we have the Lenyn Sosa situation as he gets promoted from AA to the bigs while Colas is still stuck at A+ The Sox fucked up if this is the root cause of a perceived rift. Nothing surprising bc the guys running the organization at every position are straight trash. Colas should have been promoted a month ago plain and simple.

Gonna be honest, our boy Mike is missing a lot on that list of bad decisions

I think my biggest problem/frustration is that if even Ricky Renteria were still here, we'd be seeing better out of Eloy, Yoan, and Robert (when healthy). He couldn't manage a bullpen, but the team was enjoyable and played hard for Ricky.

Especially the Bulls. Look at all the shit the Bulls fans sat through while lining JRs pockets with cash. If he’s afraid of the tax, they aren’t going to win. I hope the people wHo give him all their money realize it and stop going to games, Get back to pre Jordan where they are lucky to draw 6k.

Colas in CF for Winston Salem tonight!!

There is no overlap between the Bulls and White Sox. None. I don't know how people think there is, but no.

No, that's the entire point. The NBA salary structures are a Byzantine maze that necessitate teams hiring capologists to help facilitate transactions. The Sox also have the seventh highest payroll in baseball, so they're spending money, they're just spending it real fucking poorly. A better question would be "why did you spend money on Leury and Harrison when you could have just signed Escobar and played Mendick on the MLB roster from the start?" Right now on RealGM you have Bulls fans upset that Dallas Keuchel's DFA might hurt the Bulls free agency dreams but they don't correlate.

I was just at a restaurant and the hostess called Juan O. for four. I heard Yoan 0-4. The 12 step program to forget Sox baseball isn't complete.

Oscar Colas' instagram is back to normal and, once again, the initial post was incorrect regarding him deleting everything White Sox.

Jake Lamb was an all star for a season. He also was a mediocre player for the White Sox. A.J. Pollack once won a gold glove. He misplayed a ball at the wall against the Tigers in game one earlier this season and overran a catchable ball near the fence during a recent game against the Angels. The point is that many players have a single great season but fail to produce stellar performances over a career. Anyone is capable of having a big or outlier year. Few have the careers of Frank Thomas, Nellie Fox, or Luis Aparicio. In 2019 and 2020 I genuinely believed that the White Sox roster was packed with perennial All Star quality players --- Anderson, Abreu, Eloy, Grandal, Yoan, Luis, and Nicky Two Strikes. Now I believe that I was mistaken, except for Anderson and maybe Jose. Eloy, Yoan, and Luis are above average but unreliable performers on the field. Each may experience one, perhaps two great seasons, but not sustain excellence over the course of a lenghty career. Won't happen. Too many soft tissue injuries, poor command of the strike zone, lapses of concentration and effort in the field. The fear is that if Eloy, Yoan, or Luis is/are traded then soon thereafter the player will suddenly fulfill the great expectations we have had for him. But, that is unlikely to happen for any of those players. More likely, each will have a career liken to Avi Garcia or Jorge Soler rather than Aaron Judge or Mike Trout. Wishing and hoping doesn't make it happen. As to Nicky Two Strikes, he is injury prone and unreliable but in a trade with the Cubs the White Sox got a zero return, anyway. As to Gandal, he is mediocre at best behind the plate and only a streak hitter approaching old age in the life expectancy of a major league player. Besides, Grandal is injury prone, too. Lynn, Gio, Cease, are Kopech are single A quality players compared, for example, to Verlander in today's game. They have no resemblance whatsoever to Jemkins, Gibson, Spahn, Ford, and Robin Roberts who posted wonderful careers without extensive injury and had the capacity to pitch beyond the sixth inning. The White Sox are an average team without the roster that would justify the great expectations we had prior to this disappointing season.

This is the most White Sox Bulls off-season you can imagine so far. Although, what is the equivalent of a non-elite reliever in the NBA? They need to sign more of those.

I remember becoming a White Sox fan without ever seeing them play on tv because Jimmy & Harry were so fun on the radio side.

I remember TLR having Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson, Jose Canseco, Mark Maguire, Dennis Eckersley, Carney Landlord and still getting swept in the WS by Cincinnati.

I remember the day TLR managed the STL in a world series in which Mark Maguire was being saved for late inning pinch hittier as he was injured He brought him in with a runner in 2nd and first base open.

What in the world does any of this have to do with how garbage of a manager Tony is in 2022?

Meet the new boss….same as the old boss

Opposite field single for Sosa in his first AAA AB.

I feel like this package has become our Clint Frazier / Miguel Andujar.

It wasn't a great season or anything, but it felt like the team was finally transitioning out of the rebuild and into a potential contender. There was some positive momentum.

The people here and mostly elsewhere defending Colas because it is hard being a minor leaguer are mouth breathers. Accusing your employer of treating you live a slave is ridiculous. I hope the Sox trade him the first second an offer even close to fair comes along.

This is ridiculous. Colas wasn’t great in May and missed a bunch of time. He should be in AA but the White Sox aren’t doing anything nefarious here. If he were ready to play in the big leagues by midseason 2023, that’d be a huge benefit for the organization and they know it

Wait, TMZ cares about semantics and phrasing?

One is already on the Cubs.

So TLR doesn't look at results because it's too easy that way? Seriously ? Who even says something like that? However at least that explains why Garcia with a .193 BA and a .480 OPS is a consistent starter and there is not a chance in h*** this team makes the playoffs this season. Thanks TLR.

I’m old enough to remember when people thought the Cubs winning a World Series and making the playoffs for half of a decade would be poor results for the Sox rebuild.

Hendriks has to actually be able to pitch before anyone is taking him on, and his contract is actually a major ding on his value as his luxury tax number is way above his salary. Giolito may turn this around but he’s legitimately been bad this year. People don’t give up big ticket value at the deadline for players who are struggling. Even if you are able to move those guys, you will not be getting top level big league ready players for them.

Nobody wants any of those guys other than Abreu and Graveman. Players having bad seasons have minimal value. Go look at Grandal, Moncada and Giolito's baseball savant page. There is nothing that suggests they're about to turn it around in-season.

Thought it was fake, but here is the video…🤦‍♂️ They asked him why he wasn’t pinch hit for in the 6th and Tony answers on why he hit in the 9th, not even listening to the question….moron

That is the thing - they will do 2 or 3 things wrong every game and they aren’t just the usual errors. Those happen - the things I see, whether mgr not making the smart call or players not doing the little fundamental things to prevent someone from advancing or them advancing when they need to…it’s bad and it makes a difference and increases the margin to win and put streaks together.

Always wants to be "cool" and invariably comes off as the opposite somehow.

well, whatever it is, I'm sure shane riorden will get to the bottom of it, let everyone know that he knows the issue and that it's bad, but not actually let anyone know what it was.

Old enough to remember tex not getting the post bit and arguing with someone else 8 posts into the thread lol

Well sure. It's not like they promoted a AA player straight to the MLB for a couple if days or anything. They always refuse to promote players.

I think the fundamental problem we all have is impatience. Almost nobody burns up the league at 25. Players come up and they have to adjust. So we see glimpses of Robert for thirty games and we say "he's going to be one of the greatest ever" and then he goes in a slump and we say he is garbage. The reality is baseball players and pitchers peak at 30 (J.C. Bradbury and published in Journal of Sports Sciences) or 28 (Mitchel Lichtman of Hardball Times). The core of our team are young guys who have all flashed greatness. Look at the list of players that have not even hit peak from the most conservative estimate. Player Age Garrett Crochet 23 Andrew Vaughn 24 Luis Robert 24 Eloy Jiménez 25 Gavin Sheets 26 Jake Burger 26 Michael Kopech 26 Dylan Cease 26 Yoan Moncada 27 Lucas Giolito 27 Vaughn, Robert and Jimenez are babies. Cease and Kopech are just learning to be great. To give up on those five because of a few injuries is madness. Look at Byron Buxton. Hurt at 24. Hurt at 25. Covid season at 26 and now the last two years he's one of the best player in baseball. Moncado has been near great for the last three years and you are dumping him because of a bad 30 games? Gio has been near great for the last three years and you are dumping him because of a bad 5 starts? So we have rising stars coupled with a couple of players at their peak (Anderson, Bummer, Reylo) or past their peak (Lynn, Abreu, Grandal, Hendricks) and suddenly a very exciting crop of minor leaguers. The Sox have had an incredibly bad run of luck with injuries this year...and cold starts and yes I suspect the team is down and frustrated. But I still think they are going to get healthy and hot. And if not this season?? Look at that Padres last season...sometimes you have all the parts but it takes some hard times before you learn how this all fits together.

This serious?

I would like to point out the double standard given to a few at bats from Sosa and a half season of at bats with Leury. Has there been any string of a few at bats this year where Leury has rolled over a few balls?

Get Bamba, worry about everything else later.

He's not the dynamic high ceiling middle of the field athete you would like in a 1st round pick but that doesn't mean he's not interesting. He's a switch hitter with avg/above avg hit and above avg power from both sides. That's a rare hitting skillset. Where it gets dicey is his secondary tools. He's a below avg athlete and runner. He's also a below avg defender w/a fringe avg arm so it's very unlikely he stays on the dirt. When you start looking around for players who match that type of skillset it gets very difficult. Can he be Ian Happ? That would be a really good pick.

Rick should be a District Manager for Burger King.

Yep, apathetic seems to be the more common sentiment and that is where I am as well. But there's usually a layer of anger in there too. I think a lot of Sox fans were really looking forward to a great summer of baseball and then we got whatever this is.