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Again, MLB.com has the White Sox #2 in their power ranking . . . and people are on here saying we should fire Hahn. This is embarrassing for the poster and to a lesser degree to the Sox fan base. And, of course Ron833, agrees. That’s all you need to know.

Borrowing this from southsider2k5's post about TLR hiring...between Kimbrel, this year's current FA debacle and now the way Lucas Giolito was treated so disrespectfully by the White Sox (just like Black Jack McDowell, although Lucas is 10X the more mature and even-keeled individual in comparison)...don't know how to communicate how disgusted Sox fans actually are with the current state of things heading in what was once supposed to be one of the greatest seasons in franchise history. This feeling today is what we spent a decade building towards???? REALLY? It has already been self-sabotaged in a variety of ways. How do you go from last October to now selling LESS season tickets than you had at the beginning of the 2021 season??? If he was just carrying out Jerry Reinsdorf's orders to punish Lucas for being the team union rep and involved in MLBPA negotiations with Manfred, shame on him for doing so...that's not the type of GM that will ever lead the White Sox to the promised land, it's just not the right way to treat employees, whatever legal-ese nonsense he puts out there on social media about it not having affected the relationship one bit moving forward, yadda yadda yadda. You should know better with all those years of education at elite universities. Treat others how you would like to be treated, it's actually quite simple. Scott Reifert's email address is [email protected] Brooks Boyer is [email protected] Hopefully people feel free to let them know what people think.

I wouldn't say I'm satisfied with the White Sox offseason. I posted multiple times why I thought the Sox should re-sign Carlos Rodon. Without him, our rotation is thin and it's also missing a potential TOR ace. I'm guessing they didn't not as much for the money, but because they are still worried about his arm not lasting a whole season. The Sox can likely win the AL Central without Rodon. But how far will they get in the playoffs without him, if he were still in top form at the end of the year? It's also odd that the team didn't extent a qualifying offer to pick up an extra draft pick. I also hear the complaints about paying too much for "utility" players Harrison and Garcia, though I never thought it realistic for the Sox to pay $175M to Semien when he's 32, or for the other high-priced middle infielders on the market. Kimbrel? It's easy to trash this move given his production since he joined the Sox. In hindsight, it was a bad trade, but Madrigal wasn't helping last year and if Kimbrel had pitched like he did for the Cubs, it would have fortified the back end of the Sox pen which looked very shaky at times last year outside of Hendrix. And even he blew 6 saves. So I can see why they did it. Now? The Sox had to pick up the option before a trade market for him might have developed. Or they could have just let him go. But at that point we didn't have Graveman or Kelly signed. So that covers SP, 2B, and Kimbrel. It leaves RF. Perhaps this is the area of the most whining, but it strikes me as irrational and I've written a few posts about it. If you sign Conforto to a multi year deal, you block the potential arrival of Oscar Colas or Yoenis Cespedes. And you end up taking away ABs from the Sheets/Vaughn platoon when Grandal is the DH, assuming Abreu and Jimenez are not yielding their spots in that situation. And if Conforto is giving way to a Sheets/Vaughn platoon when they are in the field, then why would you sign Conforto in the first place? (They hit much better than he did last year, and cost pennies comparatively.) While I've quickly rehashed some of the major bones of contention, I wrote this post to just say that the whining from many Sox fans is over the top. I'm not satisfied by the Sox offseason, but I still think they have an awesome team, will get better as the season progresses, and can still make moves to help the club up through the trading deadline. I've been a Sox fan since 1970 -- 52 years. I've known only 1 World Series victory in that time. I want the Sox to win again, but I think doing so is going to have more to do with the performance of the players we have on the team now than any additions or tweaks we might have made. Houston embarrassed our entire pitching staff last year, and our offense wasn't capable of responding, except for one game. So, while so many fans are whining about what we don't have, why not enjoy what we DO have, and see if these guys can put it together and win?

They didn’t sleepwalk through the offseason, they added considerable payroll. They just spent it horribly. That’s why people are pissed.

Seems to me that the OP is whining about other people whining.

The whining can't stop. This whole place would fall apart without it. It's load-bearing.

This is the first thing that jumped out to me - who cares about Colas and Cespedes? Everything has indicated that they are not major league ready and neither is even a top 100 prospect. We are in WS or bust mode at this point. Get the best players available and win the damn thing.

Yep....real gamethreads put me in a zen like level of calmness....."OH COME ON THROW STRIKES!!!"

Forgot all about this lol Then news broke that they were surprised those guys signed before the lockout so they shifted. Shifted to signing Harrison and Velasquez ?

So you knew Politte and Cotts were going to have career years. That Dustin Hermanson would be nails until he couldn't pitch, but the minor leaguer they would get on waivers could and would save the day. That the Contreras with the mid 5's ERA that the Yankees dumped, only to have him pitch the same with the White Sox in 2004 would become an ace. That the 4.89 ERA for Garland in 2004 was all the sign you needed to know he was a championship quality rotation piece, and that the who has any idea how old El Duque would overcome his 2004 injuries and be a solid #5. You knew that even though he was non tendered by SF, that AJP was just what every team needed. You knew that Iguchi wasn't going to be Kaz Matsui. And knew that Jermaine Dye's cumulative -0.2 WAR for the 2002-2004 seasons was WS MVP stuff. How is it teams aren't offering you 8 figures a year to make them champions? That team had amazing performances out of a lot of guys who couldn't have been expected to be that good, and amazing health. Used only 6 pitchers to start games the entire season. I know it tied a record then. I don't think anyone has come close since.

The team isn’t a disaster because of the great core in place but this off-season has absolutely been a disaster, it’s pretty easy to separate the two.

Just because we still have a great team doesn’t mean we can’t call out a completely botched offseason.

Would you say this is...Rick Hahn's personal disaster?

Conforto can’t even get into their country. I doubt he’s an option.

yikes I only read thread title but this is embarrassing.

I'm pretty sure that if Kimbrel is traded, he'll do well for his next team. But if he isn't traded, he'll suck. Isn't that how it always seems to happen?

Will you suck on this thread when we win 109 games?

Hit them where it hurts - Jerry's wallet. I'm not going to a single baseball game on the southside this year.

If I'm understanding correctly, criticism that you don't agree with is called whining, while the rest of it can be referred to as complaints or trashing.

Maybe it'll end when you stop making these absurd water carrying threads over and over again.

If the Sox don't make it to at least the ALCS, it's a botched offseason. If they make it to the ALCS and lose, it's a mediocre offseason that could have been better.

Dear White Sox, there is a guy in China who is unhappy with the off-season moves. Please respond accordingly.

lol at bitching about lineup construction in spring.

Literally could not care less about how many Ks Carlos has in a ST game against us.

We'll all be pretty happy we didn't pay Rodon $22M AAV when his shoulder falls off in 2 months.

Hey Rick Hahn, just a reminder that injuries happen: Adam Engel: 124 Eloy Jimenez: 117 Luis Robert: 101 Yasmani Grandal: 53 Tim Anderson: 25 Andrew Vaugh: 17 That’s six key position players who missed over 10% of the season due to injury. And yes, I know we were the victim of extreme bad luck, but hope ya’ll are ready for Leury Garcia as a near everyday guy, plenty of Gavin Sheets in the OF, and lots of Zack Collins behind the plate!

Their bench was pretty pathetic actually. Timo, Ross Gload, Pablo Ozuna, Willie Harris. The bench was such a concern, Blum was acquired and he sucked until 1 AB. . And how deep were they really on the pitching side? They were at closer where Shingo bombed, but Hermanson was great until he got hurt, and then Jenks. But they had few injuries. If this year's White Sox team was guaranteed to have 6 guys only start games, I;m pretty sure they are going to be very successful.That team was blessed, which was great for all of us. I also believe the analytics at the time had them projected a lot closer to last place than first. If you liked the back end of that bullpen prior to the season beginning, how can you not love this year's version? This year's team is so much better on paper than that team was before the season began, it's almost a joke.

1. All White Sox and Bulls games will be illegally streamed. Not paying for any cable or subscriptions in order to watch the games 2. Attending Cubs games instead of Sox games. Instead of simply not giving Jerry my money, I'm going to spend it on the other baseball team in the city.

Man, our fanbase easily loses their shit.

I emailed everyone after TLR was hired, including my ticket rep. Received nothing but canned answers and excited PR talk. By all means express your frustration, but don’t expect it to accomplish anything. And please don’t take it out on employees who have zero control over player decisions, they all just work for a living too.

And please don’t waste your time bringing up Conforto. He hit 232 last year and is a 255 career hitter. I’ll take my chances with Vaughn and sheets.

You know I was just thinking, you know what would make this off-season even better, some anti-semitism. Enjoy making up your next new Soxtalk log in.

Get moncada out of the 4 spot please.

PEREZZZZZZZ

I'm not going to pretend I understand all the ramifications of the anti-trust but if taking it away ruins the owners day I'm down. Go Bernie Go!

When someone is being embarrassed my policy is not to volunteer myself to also be embarrassed. It's not a finite resource.

Batting average is borderline irrelevant. Career wRC+ of 124. Absolutely rakes against RHP which is a clear Sox weakness. Career OBP of .356!!!!! Bats left handed. All signing Conforto does is move Vaughn to DH/LF with Eloy and puts Sheets in AAA as insurance where he belongs.

Whenever I need a good smile, I just think of Chris Berman in that moment...."OHH NOOOO"

We’re simply amazing at wasting money or misallocating it/spending inefficiently, definitely happy to acknowledge that much. Which team is 9th again? Where are the Twins, Tigers and Indians? 17th, 20th, 23rd and the amazing Indians upgraded to 29th from last. Average of 22.25, which is not even close to MLB average or median salary. What does beating up on them again prove? I don’t think ANY posters are asserting we are better today than we were in October, 2021.

I loved the 04/05 offseason. It was the first time I could remember where I could point at the lineup, rotation, and back end of the bullpen and think that every spot could potentially be filled with a quality player. No 5th starter vacancy, no catcher who can barely hit, no 8-9 spots in the order filled by guys who were barely big leaguers. There even seemed to be an emphasis on defense, bizarre for this franchise.

Yes the Sox shouldn't have picked up Kimbrels option but people are putting way too much importance in his first outing of the spring. He was throwing 94. So what? Hendriks was at 94 his first outing. I'd like to see them peak when the games count. Not when it doesn't matter and they are working on mechanics. Spring Training stats are meaningless unless you are a fringe gut trying to make a team. And with how spring training went down this year, even less than the normal meaningless.

I needed a good laugh today and this thread did it.

Yep, this is embarrassing. It’s one thing to complain about Tony and his legal issues. This is just ridiculous though. Today sucked as a Sox fan, yet probably 25 other fan bases would gladly trade our situation for theirs.

“5.  Harrison and Garcia are pretty well matched as a platoon as well. But it's close enough that Harrison could be the primary 2B.” Leury Garcia (2019 to ‘21): 83 wRC+ vs. RHP | 106 wRC+ vs. LHP Josh Harrison (2019 to ‘21): 83 wRC+ vs. RHP | 103 wRC+ vs. LHP I’m not seeing how these two are “well matched” for a 2B platoon. They look like completely redundant players who do nothing to address our weakness against RHP.

Lucas Giolito and the White Sox were off by 200K. Do you really think that is disrespectful? Seriously?

In 2022 it's seemingly impossible to even bring up the mention of politics without people hammering their keyboards until their fingers bleed.

Does Bernie have the power to strip the Chicago White Sox from Uncle Jerry??

Over under on when this gets locked? I got page 4.

Are you kidding? He has long been an outspoken critic of Meta and Google monopolistic activities. He got plenty of heat for it in his last presidential run. https://www.foxnews.com/tech/bernie-sanders-says-hed-absolutely-try-to-break-up-facebook-google. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/18/bloomberg-breaking-big-tech/ You are uninformed. Global social democracy and zionism? Take your anti-semitic conspiracy theories and shove them.