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If this organization was serious about building a contender, Bryce Harper would be their RFer.

Just not an overly talented team this year compared to the top teams. Blame Hahn for a horrible offseason.

Tony La Russa is the guy who saves all of the health potions in a video game because he'll definitely need them later. Then you finish the game with a completely full inventory after dying to the final boss 50 times.

.616 OPS, 87 wRC+, sub .300 OBP. Jose has been a decrepit pile of garbage this season. It's no surprise since he is pretty darn old. How long are we going to play him EVERY single game while batting him 3rd or 4th? When Vaughn returns, he should absolutely bat ahead of Jose. Tony's veteran privilege is a fucking joke. I imagine Jose could suck all year and Tony would play him EVERY game at the 3rd or 4th spot in the lineup. An even worse concern is if Jerry signs him for a couple more years because "loyalty", just like he did with Konerko.

I will fall on the sword for this pitching matchup: Cole (R) 2-0, 2.67 vs Velasquez (R) 2-2, 3.97

KW/Hahn have like a 20 year track record of not being able to round out rosters with necessary depth. They weren't going to suddenly get good at it last off-season.

Jimenez turned out to be a one dimensional DH who can't stay healthy and the jury is still out on whether he will ever be even close to the hitter they expected. Moncada turned out to be a very good defensive third baseman but it appears likely he will never live up to the hype - he was expected to be Robbie Alomar in his prime, but he's not even close. Anderson is good but erratic. Madrigal sucked. Vaughn is a good hitter but is out of position in the outfield. Needs to prove he can be a good defensive 1B otherwise he's just another DH. I still have hope that Robert is the real deal, he has all the tools to be a complete player and a star. Hahn under JR failed to augment the young core with proven top tier free agents. They also rely too much on Abreu who although a good guy is well past his prime if not completely washed up. They seem to prefer to play utility infielders and 1B/DHs in the outfield rather than acquiring legit major league outfielders. To top off the failed rebuild they hired just about the worst manager possible, again because of JR's warped sense of loyalty. This organization sucks and it doesn't appear that they will ever be more than a competitor for 1st place in a weak division as long as JR is running things. Get ready for another couple of one round playoff eliminations until this "window" closes.

When you feel nothing is going your way, and start thinking this team will never get it going after you spent years following the rebuild and sitting through complete garbage, only to be rewarded by the Sox hiring a statue as their manager, just remember one thing that'll make you feel much better... that nationwide is on your side no matter what.

If I'm reading this right, the Sox went 0-3 on 9 pitches in the bottom of the 8th. That's one fearsome 3-4-5 of the lineup.

You put Sheets at 1B and move Jose to DH permanently! Sheets is the only LH power on the team, hell he is the only power period right now. He is not an OF! I don't care if Jose doesn't like it. Something has to start being done to shake up this team.

Talent level between teams offensively is staggering

Somewhere Rodon is laughing at Reinsdorf and Hahn.

You mean like replaced Rodon with Rodon because pitcher's of his caliber actually usually go for a lot more than Rodon did because of that injury history. They had a chance at a bargain and they decided "Nope we don't even want the draft pick and someone can sign him for whatever it takes to get him without the draft pick attached." Hahn working for the other 29 teams.

We are not contenders right now. BUT its 162 We look like a minor league team compared to Yankees. I never want to see another line up with Josh Harrison and leury Garcia and butch Mcguire....BUT it was be forced down my throat

Good thing TLR saved Graveman & Hendriks for today ?

Yolbert back in the lineup for Charlotte.

Jose is not near the top of the league in barrel%. He’s in the upper half though. Where Abreu (and Grandal) stand out is the difference statistics - subtracting their expected numbers based on their contact profile from their actual numbers. For wOBA - xwOBA, Abreu is 9th and Grandal is 15th. For slug - xSlug, Abreu is 3rd and Grandal is top 10. Now hypothetically the expected numbers being that much better than the observed numbers would signal guys who had been unlucky and whose performance could swing the other way. However, this year we have a complicating factor, the ball. All of the expected statistics I checked require a calibration- statcast measures launch angle, exit velocity, etc, but those numbers need a conversion to torn into expected stats, and that conversion will be based on what has happened in previous years. If the ball changes, then that calibration will be biased. It is possible to probable that some players will have batted ball profiles that make them extra vulnerable to the new ball. Could that be Abreu and Grandal? Possible, do not have enough data to speculate further.

have some fucking urgency you're sitting at .500 and we're 20% done already. It's not week 2 anymore.

Oh thank god, the turning point thread has arrived.

2 HRs tonight minimum. Thanks Ronny.

What the fuck was La Russa doing leaving Joe Kelly in to die? Fuck this lifetime overrated manager. And fuck Reinsdorf.

FWIW, Andrew Vaughn has been absolutely awful in the OF this year. Eloy in his limited time in 2021/2022 has been substantially better than Vaughn out there.

Way before that . TLR was Reinsdorf's icing on the carrot cake.

Fangraphs projections have spent the last year plus suggesting this wasn't a top tier team

Or maybe we overrated our core talent?

This team is only competing to win the worst division in baseball. That is their ceiling. That is reality.

This rebuild This team Was fucked the day they hired TLR

The trade deadline last year planted the seeds for a disastrous off-season

Full strength for us would include Vaughn and Eloy. Even then, with the free fall regressions in Abreu, Grandal, and Pollock....I don't see our offense ever being able to go toe to toe with the Yankees or Astros.

One of the teams playing tonight, had an approach in the offseason to fill the visible holes, cut dead weight, and properly prepare for the 2022 season. The other, is the White Sox.

It’s really a shame the Nats stole Soto from our clutches. I guess I’ll take solace knowing Hahn would have traded him for an aging SP anyway.

What, Nomar Mazara, Adam Eaton and Adam Engel / Gavin Sheets aren't good enough for you?

It's going to be a struggle to win 88 games.

This team has way bigger issues than not having Rodon on the roster. As much as we all hated the off-season it’s not like they were realistically signing any middle of the order studs, not many were FAs anyway. You’ve got a roster full of bum slayers that can’t play D right now. Your 4 highest paid players are all god awful or hurt right now. This team isn’t competing for a WS until Jose, Dallas and Yaz are gone.

The 22M is currently being spent on Big Energy, Cueto, VV, and Joe Kelly. What are the chances that quartet of players matches the WAR Rodon is at right now? Almost non existent, I would think.

Something about dangling the carrot, right? And so many White Sox fans are right there alongside Reinsdorf, as if its their money on the line. “Rodon isn’t worth the QO risk or a Two year deal.”

They will light money on fire on the Eatons, Garcias, Harrisons and such rather than commit money medium to long term for a true impact player.

They should have added someone other than Velazquez to get the caliber pitcher of Rodon. Don’t give me that shit that Kopech replaced Rodon, a team that cared about winning would have replaced someone of Rodon’s caliber. Especially if he makes it through the regular season and playoffs.

Yankees gave the White Sox SIX outs that inning and we still didn't score. Hopeless. Yankees' defense.way too good to keep sabotaging themselves like the White Sox invariably do.

TLR is a total embarrassment of a manager. He doesn’t maximize the resources he has available during games. You need to play to win todays game when it is still winnable, worry about tomorrow,tomorrow. The bullpen moves in the 8 th. we’re inexplicable.

Once again Tony worried about resting players versus playing the game. These guys are not 80 years old like he is. Wow

I hear he will be available to not pinch hit in an obvious and key situation.

I was thinking we borrow Jose Ramirez instead so we can return him as an impatient hitting groundball machine.

Ron does know Abreu is a notorious slow starter right? And he usually post a thread like this about Abreu then it reaches like 100+ posts of people ripping Ron for Abreu proving him wrong again lol.

If you keep making the same thread and point every year, it's bound to be accurate eventually.

Baseball often makes no goddamn sense - watch the Sox come alive and beat up on Cole when normally this season they haven't even been able to handle AAA pitchers. I don't think this will actually happen but its fun to dream about.

After one walk following two quick outs, no manager would have had anyone warming up. After 2 walks he got Banks up, but no one would have been ready to pitch to Judge on that schedule. The two runs aren’t on the manager, except for the fact that he signed Kelly. The next 5, when things went off the rails, those are on him.

I think Joe Kelly was spared a whole lotta hurt from the Gamethread community last evening by the Great Soxtalk Slowdown of 2022. Do better Joe. The White Sox have won a decent number of games through the years where I was sure the pitching or lineup matchup was a no win situation going in so never say never.

Yes we have a reduntant lineup full of players with bad approaches. This has been obvious for years.