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  1. The answer is simple and swift: when JR decided to hire TLR to manage this team.
    31 points
  2. Jerry has seen enough. He has had enough. Jerry will make TLR step down after today's performance. Jerry's loyalty has boundaries.
    24 points
  3. I'm trans. For so many years of my life, there wasn't a day that went by that I didn't think about killing myself. Gradually, I stopped socializing altogether and just sort of let my friendships fade away, because I wanted to hurt as few people as possible when I left. It's not necessary that a comedian "goes after" someone like me. Everyone I cared about already did that, without knowing it, when I was growing up. It was just one of those things that was acceptable to mock. The only time I ever saw another person like me, it was on trash TV like Springer and presented as a freakshow. I never had to wonder how people felt about me, because eventually they volunteered their feelings through a hurtful joke. My friends, teachers, bosses, even my siblings and parents. I'm not saying Chappelle can't make trans jokes or should be "canceled" for doing so. I'm just asking, why do it? Why punch down? It's hack comedy, and it emboldens bigots to continue viewing people like me as subhuman. The Josh Donaldsons of the world have always been there, and probably always will be. But I never dreamed that there could be so many Yasmani Grandals. People willing to stand up for me, or at least, give me the basic human dignity we all should be afforded. So, if given the choice, why not be a Grandal?
    23 points
  4. Dude go fuck yourself. Seriously. Keep my name out of your mouth.
    23 points
  5. Who keeps laughing at my posts. What’s so fucking funny about them?
    23 points
  6. This is great!! I am Proud Dad of a gay Son. While Texas has its major issues, Dallas is a HUGE ally for the community. I am proud my team is an ally too!
    20 points
  7. I know, right? That James Fox is annoying as hell.
    20 points
  8. Huge news...Kimbrel spotted near the Dodgers Spring Training complex.
    20 points
  9. Personally I hope Canada continues to protect it’s citizens by keeping anti vaxxers out.
    19 points
  10. Say what you will, the man knows how to handle his staff
    19 points
  11. As a former Rick Hahn stan, I blasted and ridiculed Kenny Williams at every turn. Every bad choice made by the organization was Kenny's fault, every good one was Rick. Looking back after a decade of control, it's fair to say that the White Sox would be better off with Kenny Williams in charge and it's not even close. Kenny took over the GM role in 2000. He held that job until 2012. In the 12 years that Kenny Williams was in control of the White Sox, the White Sox were: 1109-998 (.526 WP%). They made the playoffs three times and won the World Series once. Here's the kicker though, under the current playoff format, they would have made the playoffs SIX times in 13 years. The White Sox had three losing seasons in his tenure, with the worst being a 72 win season and two 79 win seasons. For all intents and purposes, Kenny Williams kept the White Sox competitive year in and year out, on a limited budget much of the time, and with a minimal investment in the farm system and international signings. Kenny worked around his owner who didn't give him the resources and made season after season exciting. Rick Hahn has been at the helm from 2012/13-2022. In Rick Hahn's tenure, the White Sox are: 695-814 (.460 WP%). They made the playoffs twice, one in the COVID shortened season. They have had TWO winnings seasons and 7 losing seasons. They had four seasons with 72 wins or fewer (that was Kenny's worst season in charge), and this was with a bigger investment in international players, a larger investment in technology and the farm system, and a top 5 payroll this past season. Rick Hahn is a contract negotiator and that's it; he's not a baseball guy. He doesn't know how to build a team to compete, and he doesn't know how to maintain any form of sustained competitiveness. While Tony LaRussa obviously needs to be fired, I wanted to right a wrong here today. The blame for this season is on Tony AND Rick. His insistence on paying bullpen arms and investing his resources there is inexcusable. Allowing 2B and RF to be in the bottom three in baseball in WAR when he knew it was a weakness is unforgivable. The White Sox weren't unlucky, they were poorly managed and badly prepared for the expected outcomes of their players in regards to health and longevity. Kenny Williams wasn't the best GM in baseball, but he was a guy who put a competitive product on the field nearly every year for over a decade. He would have made the playoffs nearly 50% of his seasons under the new format, and truly only had one atrocious season. Kenny was better than Hahn, and it's not close. The Hahn excuse makers are some of the weirdest people in baseball to me. They are still making excuses for that bozo - blaming Kenny and TLR for his failures, yet Kenny Williams was 100% more successful than Rick Hahn as a GM, so if anything... we should be giving credit for the good moves to Kenny and the bad ones to Slick Rick; because criticism slides right off Rick.
    17 points
  12. They need some sort of Truman show set up for tlr where he thinks he is managing but it’s a soundstage
    17 points
  13. There are so many parties to blame for this disaster of a a season, but Hahn is chief amongst them with one of the worst off-seasons in recent memory for what should have been a legit championship contending team. A big part of that is his failure to build quality scouting and player development functions, which has stalled our pipeline of talent and has lead to poor acquisitions at the major league level. There have been some improvements recently (I like what Shirley is doing in the draft), but it’s too little too late IMO. It’s time to hold the top decision maker accountable and that means Rick Hahn has to go.
    16 points
  14. Abreu is our best player and Giolito stinks so letting Abreu walk and extending Giolito is right up this teams alley
    16 points
  15. I decided to take a look at our batted ball profiles compared to the ML average and if our middle-opposite field hitting approach is actually causing some of the power decline we've seen with the team in 2022. Here's what I found. Name Pull Pull wOBA Pull GB% Pull GB wOBA Pull FB% Pull FB wOBA Pull LA Pull EV Pull Pitch Center Center wOBA Center GB% Center GB wOBA Center FB% Center FB wOBA Center LA Center EV Center Pitch Oppo Oppo wOBA Oppo GB% Oppo GB wOBA Oppo FB% Oppo FB wOBA Oppo LA Oppo EV Oppo Pitch League Average 37.80% 0.426 54.80% 0.177 18.10% 0.876 6.1 89.9 87.9 37% 0.317 46.50% 0.214 25.45% 0.311 9.5 88.9 89 25.10% 0.324 22% 0.401 37.90% 0.226 26 84.7 90 White Sox 35.30% 0.382 59.60% 0.172 13.68% 0.781 2.4 89.8 87.2 37.25% 0.325 48.10% 0.221 24.40% 0.348 8.5 89.7 88.6 27.43% 0.352 25.30% 0.464 36.50% 0.198 23.2 85.7 89.4 Andrew Vaughn 29.79% 0.491 54.80% 0.231 13.70% 1.158 3.1 91.1 86.6 38.36% 0.363 56.38% 0.257 19.15% 0.672 4.4 93.9 87.9 31.83% 0.329 30.77% 0.332 32.05% 0.187 17.4 89.3 89 Luis Robert 35.50% 0.531 63.22% 0.269 10.35% 1.287 -1.5 90.9 88 36.33% 0.372 50.56% 0.315 20.22% 0.344 6.4 89.6 88.5 28.16% 0.306 20.29% 0.406 37.68% 0.306 28.6 86.1 88.8 Eloy Jimenez 34.62% 0.541 50% 0.197 27.78% 1.239 8.8 97.2 88.7 48.10% 0.298 64% 0.276 16% 0.221 -1.4 91.4 88.2 17.31% 0.098 44.44% 0 44.44% 0 13.3 89.8 92.1 Tim Anderson 30.13% 0.251 77.78% 0.158 4.17% 0 -7.3 86.3 87.2 38.91% 0.355 60.22% 0.205 16.13% 0.359 -0.1 89.5 88.3 30.96% 0.501 27.03% 0.587 32.43% 0.381 17.6 88.7 88.6 A.J. Pollock 44.40% 0.342 56.04% 0.069 10.99% 0.708 1.9 89.4 87.2 32.68% 0.283 44.78% 0.295 26.86% 0.049 13.4 89 88.4 22.93% 0.302 10.64% 0.354 38.30% 0.304 36.6 85.2 89.6 I'm sure if you've read this forum a lot, you've seen a handful of posters constantly complaining that the White Sox don't pull the ball in the air enough. The reason for that is because on average, pulled fly balls get you a .876 wOBA. That's pretty much as good as hitting a line drive. Hitting the ball up the middle and to the opposite field give you far worse results than pulling the ball, as seen by the .317 and .324 wOBA when hitting the ball to center and the opposite field. There is one caveat to pulling the ball though: you'll hit a lot of grounders since you'll probably roll over on pitches more often with that approach, as seen by the near 55% ground ball percentage when pulling the ball. This is far higher than a batted ball in any other direction. Pull-heavy teams might tend to be less consistent offensively, but when they do hit their share of fly balls in the air, they're heavily rewarded. The teams that tend to pull the ball more tend to hit more home runs. The White Sox, in all their infinite wisdom, have gone away from the league trend and are 24th in the league in home runs and 27th in ISO despite having multiple guys in the lineup with massive raw power. They do however, lead the league in singles. When you look at the way the Sox hit, a couple of things really stand out. They don't pull the ball as much and when they do, the results kind of aren't there with the team as a whole. They pull the ball on the ground more than the league and hit way less fly balls than the league. so even though the league is having success pulling the ball, the Sox are not. They are better than league average when hitting to the opposite field and to center. So you might be able to say that the middle-out approach the organization teaches is working. Especially when the Sox get a gaudy .464 wOBA on ground balls to the opposite field. The only problem with it is that ground balls to the opposite field usually only get you singles. And the Sox as a whole don't have enough consistent hitters to link singles together to score runs. Which is why you often see the team have 6-8 hits and have like 1 or 2 runs. It sure seems like the Sox and Menechino thought they had found some kind of market inefficiency by hitting the ball to the opposite field, but in reality, they've just managed to get a bunch of hits while not scoring enough runs. You'd also think this middle-out approach would help in situations where the bases are loaded, but that obviously hasn't been the case this year. In general, the team is doing what the Sox and Menechino are preaching in terms of hitting philosophy, but the results simply are not there because the approach only works if you have a lineup full of consistent hitters. That's something that the Sox simply do not have at this point. That being said, it doesn't have to be that way. The Sox don't have the same type of hitter all across the lineup. This middle-out hitting approach benefits some guys while it's seriously hurting others who could be helping this team score a lot more runs. One guy who benefits from the middle-out approach is Tim Anderson. As you might have guessed, he is a monster when he hits the ball the other way. And he hits the ball the other way a lot more than just about everyone on the team. However, his hitting approach basically makes him useless when he pulls the ball. He puts it on the ground a staggering 78% of the time when he pulls and he doesn't have a hit yet on a pulled fly ball this year because he's only pulled the ball in the air 4 times all year. You read that right, 4 times. Sometimes you have to wonder why teams even bother playing a LFer when he's up. The funniest part is that a decent amount of those pulled grounders are probably when the Sox had the bases loaded. TA's numbers this year aren't bad, but something still makes me think that his swing/approach are kind of broken at the moment. On the opposite end, we have AJ Pollock, who pulls the ball a lot. But his timing is so bad that he just ends up rolling over quite a bit. That's why he has a .069 wOBA on pulled grounders. Nobody really hits well on them, but .069 is something else. Then we get to the 3 guys who I think this middle-out approach is really hurting. When Luis Robert, Andrew Vaughn, and Eloy Jimenez pull the ball, they get results. When your wOBA is over 1.000 when you pull the ball in the air, you should really think about doing it more. What's worse is that for guys like Vaughn, hitting to the opposite field isn't really working. He hits opposite field more than Tim Anderson, but only has a .332 wOBA to show for it. Luis Robert's numbers look ok when he does go opposite field, but he's also popped the ball up a ton when going that way (14 times) and it looks like he's making contact for the sake of making contact. Even in advantaged counts. So he ends up looking like a slap hitter when he looks like Mike Trout when he pulls the ball. Eloy has always had good opposite field power, but that was before MLB decided to deaden the balls even more. In a small sample this year, he has yet to get a hit on an opposite field fly ball. The majority of his power has come when he has pulled the ball. One thing to look at is the pitch velocity that these opposite field hits occur on. Outside of Eloy (small sample), all these guys are hitting pitches slower than the ML average to the opposite field. That tells me that this isn't a timing issue or that they can't pull high velocity. It just tells me that they're doing this on purpose. And if you really think about it, it doesn't make a ton of sense. Why would you sell out the power on the team for some extra singles when the league is doing the opposite and having success? It almost feels like the Sox want to be different for the sake of being different. The problem is that the approach is clearly not working. They're getting out-homered at home and even when they had a mostly healthy team in the playoffs last year, they ended up putting weak balls in play just to make contact. They probably aren't going to make a change at hitting coach this year, but I hope they do something about this in the off-season. As is, they're probably ruining some of these young hitters' careers by having them do something that isn't actually productive. TLDR: Fire Menechino
    16 points
  16. Guys we have a short window, but if TLR is fired within the week he will have been fired in 1986 and 2022 when Top Gun and Top Gun Maverick were in theaters, respectively. Thank you Tom Cruise!
    16 points
  17. The hiring of Tony LaRussa. Everything went to shit after he was hired.
    15 points
  18. 15 points
  19. Just informing all of you that we are about to get on a roll heading into this stretch vs the AL Central. You've been informed. You heard it here first. I guarantee that we win the division. I'm on vacation drinking at a pool and watched the game on my laptop. Two girls just approached my friend and I. Opened up the convo by asking if we like anal. Good day. Going out. Farewell. Let's. Fucking. Go. We fight a lot, but let's come together and GET HOT. I'm telling ya... I ain't joking. This is going to happen.
    15 points
  20. I've been an ignorant fool for a long time. These are JR's White Sox. He gets to add Chicago to the game because he has a lease with a stadium he doesn't own in Chicago. They could just as easily be the Nashville White Sox, San Antonio White Sox, or any other city JR wishes to move HIS team. I'm a baseball fan. I've played in over 200 games, attended another 500 or so ( t ball to MLB) and watched too many to count on TV or listened on the radio. I follow two teams in particular. My high school and JR's White Sox. But I've stopped being a fanatic. Being a White Sox fan is like being a fan of a local McDonalds. They are just one of a franchise with a local owner. There are plenty of others that are basically the same. If the customer service at a particular McDs declines because they hired their idiot buddy to manage the store, you don't stop eating at McDs, you just move to a different owner's franchise. If half the staff is out sick and the experience at that store is horrible, you stop at a different one. So JR, I'm sorry but I don't like your franchise much these days. I think you are destroying your location and starting to remind me of Ozzie when he wanted to move to Florida. Perhaps you want to be so disliked by fans the entire city with throw you out and you can move YOUR team to a nice place. Go. I'm past defending, I'm past blaming injuries, I'm way past defending Tony, and I'm well past blaming Tony. I'm finally looking at this as a consumer. Much like you seem to look at this like a personal hobby business for your friends and cronies. I came to Chicago for a visit and for the first time in 50 years avoided attending any games. Instead I played a little golf, visited some friends that I wouldn't have had time for, and enjoyed my stay just fine. Thank you for giving me that gift of time you miserable son of a b****.
    15 points
  21. Andrew Vaughn was hit by a 94 mph fastball in the wrist. There is no amount of playing both games of a doubleheader that will make your bones stronger.
    15 points
  22. I like that major broadcasters keep hiring Benetti to call games and some Sox fans are like "this guy sucks, take him away!" Benetti rocks. Happy for him that he gets more national exposure and glad the Sox have him paired with Stoney, who is a good balance with him.
    15 points
  23. I am jacked up for this trade. Really think this will help us spank the competition. Collins wasn't a jerk, but he was really starting to rub me the wrong way. Now Grandal won't have to play with himself as the only legit catcher on the roster. This will give Tony a hand when setting the lineup when Grandal needs a day off. Not sure McGuire has much of an offensive stroke, but he can handle himself behind the plate and maybe he'll whack a few out of the park.
    15 points
  24. This offseason is a complete failure. I'm done with this team. Fuck everybody.
    15 points
  25. We’ll bring Jack back, but in exchange, you’re now banned. Seems fair. You in?
    15 points
  26. Injury prone players getting injured is not insane bad luck. It's an expected outcome. If you're going to build a team based on a core of fragile players that can't stay on the field, then you at least better build up insane depth. Unfortunately the Sox depth is among the worst in baseball.
    14 points
  27. Never should have taken the job in the first place, eat a bag of ____s Tony ... that is all
    14 points
  28. All - with the season heading down the tubes I am taking a last ditch extremely superstitious effort to get the club on track and will be working through some upgrades to the forum software sometime next week. Intent is for it to be a one day outage but given size of this board always a risk it drags a bit longer. If it does I’ll get a back up forum up in the meantime but want to make sure I get everything upgraded given some of the slowness issues people were running into on their mobile device etc. Wanted to give you all a quick heads up - I’ll post a more updated timeline as I get closer to it.
    14 points
  29. TL;DR Fire everyone and sell the team
    14 points
  30. The cool thing if they would have signed Schwarber is they would be a very similar team except instead of Gavin Sheets they'd have 25 more home runs
    14 points
  31. People are completely missing the point here. It doesn't matter whether TA comparing himself to Jackie Robinson is fine or ridiculous. As a white person, Josh Donaldson doesn't get any say in the matter. None. Given his history with the Sox, if he thinks anything he says to anyone on that team will be interpreted as a joke then he's an incredibly stupid person. Much more likely he was trying to get under TA's skin. He knows it, TA knows it, everybody knows it.
    14 points
  32. You don't have to be a "fairweather fan" to avoid bad baseball, I watched next to none of the Cleveland series, they made it clear from the jump that they weren't taking the games seriously so I didn't bother watching. You don't HAVE to consume every second of the 162 games, that's unrealistic. Also, the assigning of "fairweather fan" is extremely gross especially coming from someone who admits he'd prefer the April games weren't even played.
    14 points
  33. The Sox spend half a decade rebuilding, only to waste it on Tony LaRussa. It just hurts.
    14 points
  34. He used to flash some power, now he flashes other things.
    14 points
  35. I'll add, I'd rather have Pollock for this year than Conforto.
    14 points
  36. Yes. Sox would forfeit like the 65th pick, the bonus pool amount associated and $500K in international space. They should be willing to do it though. This offseason hasn't been a good one for the White Sox. I agree with you. If they're in fact done, it's a very poor allocation of available resources. Also, I'm not your pal.
    14 points
  37. I don't know if you have any control over this or not but I humbly request that the 10-1 Astros over our beloved Sox game score be removed from the right side of the Soxtalk headquarters page. It just sucks to look at that every time I come here and if the work stoppage causes games to not be played it will suck more. Thanks in advance for all y'all do!
    14 points
  38. Alright boys, one down…two to go! Let’s even this shit up tomorrow and head back to Houston!
    14 points
  39. https://theathletic.com/3361419/2022/06/14/liam-hendriks-white-sox-pride-night/ I'm very glad this guy is on my team!
    13 points
  40. This has nothing to do with politics, this is about basic human decency. That you see this as “political“ tells a lot about you. As a son of a black father and as someone who is very visible black who had to deal with this bullshit. I have zero patience for people handwaving racist ass remarks:;. I have the following to say to you: Go pound sand and use this time to reflect that this shit isn’t about you or partisan politics.
    13 points
  41. I was just thinking.. man, what's an old white man like green line think about what tim anderson feels and thinks about being black in the current mlb game and culture. Surely he's an expert on this topic and understand the context and point better than that tim anderson guy
    13 points
  42. Colas injury minor from what I’ve been told. Should be back this weekend hopefully. Also, we talked to Andy Barkett for Tuesday’s podcast. New minor league hitting coordinator. I think he’s already paying dividends with some of the performances this year. There seems to finally be an org wide hitting plan which is positive.
    13 points
  43. I don’t know what the hell is going on, but this shit isn’t funny.
    13 points
  44. Larussa is a big time clown.
    13 points
  45. Another OF? Rick Hahn is clearly not a White Sox fan.
    13 points
  46. Years from now, you will ask your friends where they were when Voodoo Cane Guy flipped the series for the good guys
    13 points
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