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I think I speak for almost all Sox fans when I say F this guy.

I feel quite the opposite. Playing 19 intradivison games gets awfully boring. Seeing new teams and stadiums is fun. It might be a logistical nightmare but it makes the fan experience better IMO.

Yes, gotta give credit where it's due on trading for Mazara, Kimbrel, and Hernandez

it aint luck bro

Oh....I thought this thread was todays boxscore and wrapup.

Do you think Jason is working on his base hit calls? It might be, it could be, it is, through the infield!!!

Joe Crede would have stepped on the bag and then teleported to first and to make it unassisted.

As bad as Moncada is with the bat, that's how good he is with the glove. Problem is, great fielding, terrible hitting infielders are not that hard to find.

That’s a White Sox at bat. Guy throws 4 straight balls and you swing at the first pitch. Nice play Yo!

Burger would have played that into a bases clearing double.

Burger would have turned a triple play

Seems like it's impossible for this team to score from 2nd.

This team can cure insomnia worldwide

Barstool is an incredibly misogynist organization. I don't follow or pay attention to any of them.

Who will I see 1st this season....Carlos Perez or Miguel Cairo??

2022 team stats correlations to runs scored and Sox ranks: GB%: -0.49 / 4th O-Swing: -0.30 / 1st K: -0.23 / 24th most (9th fewest) 1B: 0.22 / 1st BB: 0.58 / 29th ISO: 0.82 / 29th So the worst things to rank highly in are ground ball rate and out of zone swing percentage and the Sox are 4th and 1st in those stats. Strikeout rate and number of singles have minimal impact on scoring runs and the Sox do very well at both of those. Walk rate and Isolated power (SLG-AVG) have HUGE impacts on scoring runs and the Sox are only better than Detroit in both. This team is emphasizing (and even admitting to emphasizing) things that don't translate into scoring runs. There is causation here too. Swinging at more pitches outside of the zone leads to fewer walks and more ground balls. More ground balls lead to more singles and fewer extra base hits. As someone who's statistically inclined it's horribly frustrating to see the problem so clearly and have the team completely ignore it. I know there there was a graph showing that the Sox have the fewest analytics employees in MLB, but even they have to be aware of this data, don't they?

We want Carlos Perez!

Looking forward to not watching tonight. Why bother? They will put a ton of runners on base and then not drive them home. The ninth will be three up, three down with the ball never leaving the infield. And somewhere along the line someone will get hurt, and be "day to day."

The White Sox also traded Omar Narvaez for a closer who cost them over $10 million in '19-20. While he's been hurt for some time this year, Narvaez has been worth 6.4 fWAR since the White Sox traded him. Since then, the White Sox added Grandal who has been worth 4.7 fWAR in the 3 years after being signed - but he's also being paid $18.25 million for it. Although 2020 messed with the totals and Narvaez would probably have not performed as well without the trades due to the quality of White Sox coaching (grumble), basically this one trade added $80 million to the White Sox's payroll, and it seems likely the gap between the two catchers will widen in coming years. While you address several guys not being useful after being traded, you also skipped the money that the White Sox took on in those deals. Mazara - took on Money. Cesar - took on money as well. Kimbrel - took on a ton of money and then doubled down on it.

I added 16-30 to the first post. Here as well: https://soxmachine.com/general/chicago-white-sox-mid-season-top-30-16-30/

The White Sox are a business and should be treated like it. They have alienated their fanbase and act like they are cockroaches all the while providing them a below average product for years. Any other business would fail. White Sox fans should treat this organization like any other business. Shit product? Don't buy it.

It’s true. Last year he was on the IL from May through July, 2020 he missed the rest of the season after put on IL August 8, and this year has missed almost all season. I couldn’t find 2019 or 2018 injury history but I remember him being ouchy then as well. He is totally injury prone

I don’t think so. He hasn’t been fired because JR is in denial and doesn’t want to admit the TLR hiring was a mistake, and TLR is his HOF buddy. One dinosaur covering for another.

the ump didn't strand 13 baserunner

not sure how anyone can watch this team and really believe its "bad luck" Time and time again in the situations where the game is for the taking the fail

The Sox are inefficient

This isn’t luck.

If Menechino + TLR are back next year im 100% done with this franchise

The mojo was gone about 2 months into 2021. It’s not hard to figure out what lead us to this situation.

Rick has done well only when he had all the leverage in the world with the Sale, Eaton and Quintana trades. Not exactly impressive. Beyond those, I am hard-pressed to think of anything he has done to actually improve the ball-club.

Giving credit for acquiring bad players because he also traded away bad players is an impressively low bar.

I believe Menechino will be fired. I think they are saving him to be the scapegoat so they don’t have to make broader institutional change.

When Giolito negotiates his 2023 salary, he'll probably focus on how good he was in 2020, and the salary decider person will probably agree.

Those Marlins teams were usually god awful on offense but they were also consistently last in the league in home runs. The only year where they weren't in the bottom 3rd in homers was when Stanton hit 59 homers in 2017. Even with Stanton hitting almost 60 homers they were still 9th in the NL in homers that year at 194. That was also when MLB started juicing the baseball. But you know what Frank's teams were usually top 5 in? Batting average. During his 6 year tenure with the Marlins they were top 5 in BA 4 times. They were top 5 in runs scored just once and that was the season Stanton hit 59 homers.

If we are stuck in the Reinsdorf Cinematic Universe than I'd be happy with Ozney Guillen.

I think 100% Jerry sells. This is a man staring at his power diminishing. What is this info we are going off of? 1983, 2008, ptthp. He's 86 now. 2005 was the height of his powers. He brought a team to the world series with his preferred way of team building. Not overpaying for stars, not giving a bunch of money to young players that weren't yet productive. His team gettin ga world series while the 200 million yankees didn't. He ebbed to his white sox team building for the bulls, bringing back a former player to focus on getting college stars and no more high school guys, and voila, suddenly in the playoffs. By 2012, he had essentially won all CBA things he has fought for. So much of team building largely has fixed costs, INTL: Draft, there is a real luxury cap ceiling. Jerry was no longer a power broker in the latest CBA. He couldn't fight to keep steve cohen out. His basketball team withered to mediocrity with his team building style, finally accepting a resignation from Paxson and ceding all power to his son. Now with the sox, he accepts a rebuild. The team is a winner, what's his last wish? To see TLR lead his team to a World Series. The best manager he's ever seen. TLR is absolute garbage, widely ridiculed and panned, team underachieving. Another L for Reinsdorf. Selling the team would give one last area where Reinsdorf can feel powerful and in control. He has uber leverage, he can wheel and deal to get a maximal return. It will be his last stand. I don't think he gives up that last bit of fun to an estate lawyer. Especially with the chance to look at some other new-money finance billionaire in the eye and tell him to kick sand.

I want a spanish speaking manager. Our team is full of spanish speaking players. Beltran?

AJ isn’t someone I’d want to hire off the street, but I doubt a broadcasting gig is the holdup if he were next in line.

I'll answer this again too just so you know that you are arguing stats and I am arguing baseball sense. I'm not some anti sabremetrics guy. I value them as tools but that doesn't mean I follow them blindly and without thought or question the validity. I understand that questioning their validity might require an advanced degree in math which I don't have so the only way I argue is common sense. Because the Sox lead the league in singles they are not as bad at getting on base as someone might think. I think we can all agree a single is better than a walk without me explaining why. If I blindly look at the team OBP leaders I see the Sox are at 13 out of 30 at .315 so not even close to worst in the league. If I then look at each team's OBP there are only 10 teams above the White Sox. There are 3 other teams with the same .315 team OBP as the Sox ( Braves Mariners and Red Sox.) There are 3 other teams with a team OBP of .314 (Brewers, Guardians and Phillies). Lot's of good teams with the same or nearly the same OBP as the Sox. If I look at team Slugging Percentage the Sox drop down to 18th at .385 (tied with the Guardians and Mariners) If I check team HR's only 2 teams are worse then the White Sox (Guardians and Tigers). Team ISO is 29th .126 only Tigers worse. For fielding I use the Fielding Bible which places the Sox 26th . They use team defensive runs saved as the measuring stick ,http://www.fieldingbible.com/TeamDefensiveRunsSaved The only worse teams are Phillies, Royals, Reds, Giants and Nationals. 2 positions in particular hurt the Sox defensively SS ( -11) and RF (-11) where they are - 22 DRS. Since the Sox as a team are -19 that means the rest of the team positions players are not bad except for a -6 for the pitchers. They get an 8 over all on positioning in shifts and non shifts. The only other thing that sticks out is DRS saved by shifts . It appears the Sox are the 2nd worst with the Guardians being slightly worse. The Sox are a 6 while many teams are over 10 with the top team at 27. In non shifts the Sox are tied for 9th with a 2. UZR has the Sox dead last by a large margin. Basically its defense and ISO//lack of HR's hurting the Sox the most if you had to pick just 2 things they are the worst or near worst at. Team wRC+ is 100 which is 15th

They are a shitty team!

"Luck is the residue of design" - Hall of Fame executive "Branch" Rickey.

Jerry instructed his worthless paid hacks to attack Renteria, knowing full well he already hired Tony in the Spring or Summer. Fully convinced of the Sox won the fucking WS in 2020, they would still have fired Renteria. Tony was toxic to the universe before his DUI, had no chance of remaining with the Angels or being hired anywhere else’s once his DUI arrest was leaked. Orioles are better. They would be 10+ over .500 if they played the imbalanced AL Central schedule, and the Sox ten - games under if they played the AL East schedule.

This stuff about Moncada and Covid is so funny. Like fans would rather believe in Covid than face the idea that he might just not be that good.

Kath 2 - 2 with 2 singles. Fuck the White Sox. I'm a Barons fan now.

Didn’t he show issues before the first pitch? They should have gotten someone warmed up at that point so he could have been pulled sooner.

Damn Rodon's health sucks.

I thought I hated this team but it's just TLR and JR I feel bad for the players. This team fails in all mental facets of the game because these guys know they are leader less and organization actually hinders them.

This really could have been about anything

Great he’ll be completely healthy for the meaningless games in September and a pleasant offseason with the fam. I am happy for him.