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If you can get a ballpark village around the stadium in a premium area, I think that outweighs any benefits a retractable roof can provide. Especially when there are going to be plenty of facilities that can house winter events, including a new Bears stadium. The juice is just not worth the squeeze at that point.

"Presented by The Village of Bedford Park"

They can continue their self-own tradition ala the Guaranteed Rate down arrow by flashing "We Have Defeats" on the scoreboard after each loss.

I'm sold as long as each home run is accompanied by Gene Honda bellowing "White Sox. We have the meats."

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While I agree with what you wrote, the rookie year Stroud had is pretty much the outlier. Most rookie QBs who have gone on to be franchise QBs just don't come out of the gate like Stroud did so it's pretty unrealistic to expect any of these QBs of this draft class to play anywhere near what Stroud did, there will be growing pains in the process. Obviously as a Bears fan I'll be hoping the QB they draft as the #1 pick (if they go that route) will have a spectacular year but the odds of that happening aren't all that great.

They won’t be similar though. It’s likely that only one will be the next Stroud, and they have to pick that guy at #1. A stud WR still isn’t worth close to what a stud franchise QB is.

April weather sucks ass, but I feel like the added cost of a retractable roof probably kills any hope of a new park happening. Along with the added footprint needed to support the structure. I'm no engineer, but it's hard to visualize a retractable roof stadium with an intimate park vibe inside and also space for any sort of fan plaza outside. There is only so much space available onsite.

Arby's Park let's go

Please lord, pick a good name.

Dude, perhaps you should stick to posting on your Cubbie message board ,because best case scenario is they swap out the Japanese pitcher for Stroman, and overpay to keep Bellinger. They have literally have done Jack s%*#, and have been shredding players for years to pay debt on the team and Wrigleyville while raping fans over past several seasons. The Sox gained by shedding complete horseshit like Lynn and Kelly at the deadline, and Grandal, Elvis and hopefully Sheets after year end. Whatever they play will be an improvement at SS. Not only addition by subtraction, but a few of their pickups will outperform expectations, and Moncada and others should play well for their next contracts. Perhaps reply to actual post content next time.

I don’t know about that - I’ll definitely be planning a weekend trip in Vegas to see the Sox. I imagine a lot of baseball fans of other teams will as well.

In terms of public funds for this - note how different this would be compared to what Vegas is doing or what Tampa Bay is doing. Those areas are paying to keep a team there, maybe not in an ideal spot, because they want to use it as a way to make their city seem important. This is also why the state spent money on the White Sox's park 30 years ago, and why the City paid to renovate Soldier Field. These are the projects that are big money losers for cities. If Chicago did this exact project with the White Sox, it is fundamentally different. This is an urban renewal project. This area is blighted, it has been undeveloped for more than 50 years. Between this site, the rail yard, and the river, it creates a large area of the city that is unwalkable and a barrier to high density development. It is also basically paying no tax to the city, it probably creates costs to police it, and it will be a drag on the surrounding neighborhoods. If the city were to find a tenant to develop this area, it might take more than 20 years to recoup any funds they invest, but if the city could turn this into a developed area - they can think about returns in the 50 to 100 year horizon. Furthermore, developing this site will allow denser development around it. Removing the blighted area in this spot will increase land values nearby and lead to the potential for significant development in this area and moving farther outwards. That's all true for literally any tenant here, which is why the city would likely put up some significant money for any development in this area. However, there have been several attempts to develop this region, all of which, so far, have completely failed. Other developers have different risks - the office market is currently pretty weak following COVID, so if the most recent developer was planning to add significant office space here, there's likely no funds available for that right now. For the city, the benefit of doing this with the White Sox is - the White Sox, as a baseball team, are likely to still exist in 30 years. Their funding situation and ability to raise funds is different from a business relying on other real estate markets. If they can get the White Sox on board as a key tenant here, and the city puts up some money, they will actually get the site developed. The White Sox aren't likely to cease to exist in 2027. This isn't a real estate developer announcing the project and then hoping to get funds lined up once they show interest from enough businesses. The White Sox building a high quality park here that draws 25,000 a night 81 times a year should also lead to additional business around the area. It won't take long before someone opens "Big Hurt Bar" across the street, hell I'd do that if I could. Add a hotel on the site, and you've now taken a blighted, undeveloped area and turned it into a center of activity and development in the city. The city should not pay the entire project, the White Sox should be putting up a significant amount of money as well. However, note the difference between rebuilding Soldier Field or building New Comiskey. In those cases, they were just spending money to keep the named thing in the city. Soldier field kept the Bears in the city, but spurred likely very little new development. New Comiskey gave Reinsdorf his parking lots, but I don't think there's any businesses in the area that rely on or cater to the White Sox. Hell, I think "Jimbo's bar" was the spot they showed on TV during the last game of the 05 World Series and that closed a couple years later. When the new ballpark was built at 35th street, people arrived on the highway or rails, went to the game, and left - it supported basically no other business. A walkable stadium, with businesses nearby, a hotel and other development on the site, with transit options as the main way to bring people in - this supports the entire area. It is possible they can't make this work, the two sides will need to agree on how much money each side is going to put in and that will always be complex. But this is fundamentally different from just building a new park to avoid losing the franchise - this is a redevelopment project. Any developer on this site would expect a significant contribution from the city to bring it back to the tax base, and the White Sox offer substantial benefits compared to your average developer. It is to the taxpayer's benefit to come up with an agreement and get this done.

I don’t care about anything in a college hitter’s draft season after turning pro. I don’t like his swing but he’s a shortstop that gets on base. Wouldn’t have been my pick but salvageable imo

"What's player development?"

I can't believe they let Grayson Allen screw them again. The fact that they took the basket away is just insane to me. The shot was already in the air. The "foul" happened after the shot was on its way in. It's one thing if the foul happened before the shot, but this was well after the shot and had no effect on getting the shot off. It shouldn't even be a foul. In fact if they hadn't called it an and-1 they don't even challenge. DeRozan scraping Allen's arm on the way down from a shot should be a no call at worst. The way they officiated this game differently all night for Phoenix and then handed them 2 challenges is a terrible look. DeMar was getting fouled all night and had to b**** and moan endlessly to get some calls in the 3rd quarter.

But Dodgers were a possibility still for Cease, IMO

Takes option away from NYY and BAL. Good.

$11M for a guy that will make roughly 10 starts for you. Yuck.

Orioles losing another option with paxton

Teams that have the No. 1 overall pick didn’t usually finish the season with 7 wins either. If they draft Williams, add a WR and/or a good OL, the offense is pretty much ready to compete. This isn’t Bryce Young coming to a Panthers team that had nothing to work with..

I hope he pans out and I’m rooting for him but it was an awful pick. The Sox badly need some more upside in their system and he provides none.

Congrats, you have once again proven what everyone else already knew.

"After the crooked river canal was filled and what is now known as the Rezko property was born, the land was used as a train yard and entry point for Grand Central until the 1970’s. When the yard was demolished, no one bothered to hook up sewer or water pipes or run electricity to the property, or even build streets or sidewalks to the lot. Located 30 feet below Roosevelt Road, the property is practically inaccessible from three sides—and, if anyone wanted to build on it, they’d first have to invest significantly in preliminary infrastructure as well as clean up all the garbage and chemicals in the soil. This is partially why Rezko failed to do anything with the land—besides having to deal instead with his money laundering and fraud convictions, of course." https://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/august-2013/rezkos-lot/

Not taking Wintrust Field at Comiskey Park - a name that literally has the words "win" and "trust" in the name - and instead opting for GIANT DOWNWARD ARROW is such a nonsensical flub that only JR could do it.

Wintrust Bank seems to be involved quite often with marketing both baseball teams. We all know it's going to be something corporate, might as well be local? I thought I heard Wintrust had a proposal to JR for when the US Cellular deal expired...something like "Wintrust Field at Comiskey Park" or something. I wouldn't mind that. If I had my druthers (I promise I'm not Rick Hahn) it would be simple. Sox Park. That's what I call it now anyways, guaranteed rate and all associated nicknames is so stupid. Other teams have done it: Yankee Stadium, Dodgers Stadium, Angel Stadium, Nationals Park, Oriole Park at Camden Yards. I didn't grow up in the Comiskey era so I don't have any real sentimental value to the Comiskey name, although I do understand the historical value. They could also get creative with the South Side or the Neighborhood. "Southsiders Stadium." "Sox Park at The 78."

I definitely get it. I wish I had bought down there too when you could find a condo for like 200/250k

White Sox Park at Dearborn Park Presented by The Village of Bedford Park

I hope this guy thinks he can unlock JF1. I'd rather the Bears be able to get another huge haul for the #1 and (if lucky) still be able to draft MHJ.

Too bad you didn't buy a place down there. You probably would have 5 X'd it by now.

I'm with you, I think this is a really solid hire. I'm not saying he's the greatest OC in the world - but he's experience and has a solid track-record. He worked with a HOF HC in Carroll and obviously Pete had his views but Shane ran the show from play calling on down and so we are getting a seasoned individual who knows what to do. I love some of the articles I've seen out there in terms of Waldron having a track record in helping QB's speed up decision/making & process time and clearly Geno Smith made huge leaps forward from his Jets days (how much of that is due to Waldron vs. his staff vs. Geno's hard work - who knows - but on paper its a positive). Wilson also was quicker getting ball out under Waldron. I also don't think he's the next Sean McVay or Shanny or Reid - but I think that is okay. Having a really solid and stable guy who knows what he is doing is great - whether it is looking to get more out of Justin or looking to build a solid structure for development around a rookie QB. I'm also presuming we will see Greg Olsen emerge as the QB coach - again, I didn't like Olsen as an OC - but what I love about Olsen is him and Waldron worked together - they have a built in trust, so I suspect that means the risk that you have too many voices gets reduced (that isn't to say you don't want different perspectives - you do - but you want them grounded in similar principles otherwise you kind of get to information overload which I think negatively impacted Bryce Young with what Panthers did this year but also back to Eagles with Carson Wentz). Bottom Line: They are hiring a respectable, proven OC, who is also young and should have credibility to go get quality offensive assistants too.

FWIW, I think there's a very good chance the Dodgers are using the opposite perspective. I think if guys show evidence of damage they are defaulting towards getting the surgery done. I can't think of a single pitcher they've tried to "Rest" after showing evidence of a partial elbow tear, can anyone?

Why would Related get involved in a Sox' leverage play? They want to get this done.

Not all that excited, but hey, it's not Brian Ferentz.

Pancakes and waffles

(This was the tweet above)

Conservative care is nearly always the first option unless the tests show significant laxity with the joint play.

Manny thread was 884 pages. Still awhile to go. Also multiple threads on that front so probably well over 1000. Either way this thread is somehow way worse than that one.

Remainder of Chris Davis' deferred payments for Cease and Santos.

Pretty sure that Jerry doesn't have a lot of owner friends left either. He tried to block this commish and lost big time. He's voted against many of these ownership groups too. There could well be a fair amount of spite votes, and I think it takes 75% yes to move.

"Win 70 games?!?!?"

For a second, I thought the Sox had signed a guy named Szymborski

The key factor was trading nearly the entire starting pitching staff at the deadline. They obviously weren't prepared for that and it was a total tank after that.

It’s a guess for a lot of these guys at this point, with flexibility for those who are healthy and pitching well out of camp. They can move him down if he makes it through camp. I like the fact the bullpen is mostly young, and 25% + of payroll isn’t committed to it. Depending on how the season goes, a few guys should be pleasant surprises who can continue here or be flipped depending on how things go. I hope they sign / invite a few more guys. Still think 80 ish wins can take the division, thinking the Tigers most likely to add before ST and at the deadline.

I like Dylan Cease a lot. To be completely honest, I'd feel really bad sending him to the complete dump that is Baltimore, home to possibly the dumbest fanbase in the county.

Agreed on Zaidman. Unlike several of his peers (Benetti included), his "announcer voice" and general smarmy bearing are a continuous advertisement for I went to Syracuse to become a broadcaster, and he's also one of the all-time hilariously cliched apologists for any team he covers -- Cubs, Bears, or DePaul. An immediate "change the station" guy for me, when he subs in on Mully and Haugh, that's a morning I won't be listening to that show. So yeah, compared to him, McKnight's a dream.