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Attendance was 34k so I was 1k off for whoever mocked me for my prediction in the game thread. Edit: oh he deleted his posts. @Rickyd2

Likely at the minor league all star break. That’s the standard time to promote players for the Sox. Also, he just turned 20 a month and a half ago so there’s no rush to move him.

So if Velazquez is actually good now, do the Sox suddenly have TOO MUCH starting pitching? ?

I am pretty convinced at this point he is better than Harrison and Garcia right now

dump TLR and hire AJ as manager..

Honestly for Robert I think Javy Baez might be the best comp for him. I don't see him ever walking enough to be Mike Cameron. Eloy and Robert are basically the same guy at the plate, except Robert is a freak athlete.

According to him, we should still be under covid lock down, or on a lockout, so yeah.

Whatever the future of this team brings, it is truly disheartening to sit through a long off season just to get this crap product they have on the field right now. They are sucking the life out of the fan base right now imo. And it is not just the injuries....it just isn't.

I'm 76 and go back to the early 50's and the GO GO SOX and 17 years of winning baseball, what I'm watching right now is extremely painful with lots of heartache. I've seen some bad White Sox baseball down through the years especially with the 68,69 and 70 teams who were as bad as can be but didn't have anywhere near the talent of the 2022 team. I thought that with 2 playoff appearances in a row we were on our way to some great baseball on the Southside with a good chance of a World Series Championship in the near future. We were all taken in by a great first half last year but since then it's been like someone turned off a switch and the Sox turned into a bad team that forgot how to play the game. Our hitters have no clue, can't work a count if their life depended on it, last night a perfect example with 3 hits and 1 lousy walk. The defense hasn't been good either and usually is caused by a lack of concentration and sometimes laziness. Living in Florida I watch a lot of Rays games and the difference is like night and day between the 2 clubs starting with the manager and the attitude of the players and their approch to the game. It's still early and there's still a chance to turn this around, maybe once everyone is healthy and with a little attitude adjustment the team can get back to winning baseball. We are in the worst division in MLB and if they don't dig themselves too big of a hole they can come back and get back to the playoffs.

Ramos doubles home a run

I know he has potential but I wish his teammates specifically would stfu about the Trout comparison. Trout was an absolute fucking beast from the moment he hit the league and never looked back. He is a bonafide top 10 all time player. Robert at this point is one of the most exciting players in the game when he's locked in, but just as often he's impossible to watch when he's scuffling.

I understand that obviously things are not going well right now but still believe it's a little premature to conclude they won't win the division. Part of the reason I wouldn't write off the season on 4/29 is that I really don't believe there is a team in the division that is going to run away and hide. I will admit as each day goes by and the bats stay silent it is difficult to remain patient.

In the general sense of the OP, no, I don’t support a retool with this FO in charge. I would only be in favor or a retool/mini rebuild if only if JR handed over the reins as he has done with the Bulls, and a new team president cleaned house with new outside hire as GM. Hahn & Co have utterly failed to complete the rebuild and they do not deserve another try.

No. This team can still win this division. As crazy as it sounds. They should fire Larussa and the hitting coach tho.

What made today's game more enjoyable was listening to Len Kasper and A.J. Pierzynski. No, "he hit the daylights out of it", no Nationwide jingle, no SOX Math or Sox Math video.

I think he got banned. Claimed he was a longtime Sox AND Cubs fan. I agree, totally ban worthy.

Madrigal definitely wouldn't have had that one...

Ramos 3 for 3 now with another line drive single.

Esteban Loiaza.

Vinnie another 1, 2 3 w/ K's of Trout and Ohtani !

Robert has to be better than that. Obvious ball 4 and he puts it weakly in play. Also no clue what’s up with Pollock. Doesn’t even look like a major leaguer.

Hey smart guy you don't show up new on a forum and act like a jagbag.

Comparing Robert and Buxton is valid at this point While both appear to be capable of flying in 'rarified air', neither has been off the ground long enough to see all those talents become realized. i.e. we're still, in great part, looking at potential with both of them. Trout is a very different animal. If his career were to somehow end today (NOOOOOOOOO!!!!), he is a first ballot Hof'er. Potential - fully realized.

Mine as well bring him up, would fit right in with this current team.

They shouldn't have been given the opportunity to do this rebuild in the first place. That's part of why I have so little sympathy for Hahn when people bring up the areas in which La Russa and Jerry let him down.

Berrios is perfect comp

I don’t know what the pitching injuries have to do with leading the league in errors. Or not being able to take a walk. Or playing the always fun “Whose Turn Is It To Groundout Weakly?”

4 scoreless inning with 4 K's & only 1 walk is super encouraging for Kelley.

My level of concern is frankly for older fans. I think for anybody over 60 or so you're looking at some great memories maybe in the early 80s, a good part of the 90s, 2005 and then pretty much just horse shit since you turned 40 or so. You were holding out hope for a great stretch of Sox baseball, similar to the best of the early 90s teams but with more depth and higher ceiling. Younger fans can brush a bad start or even a bad season (or hell five of them or so) off and look to the future -- older fans don't have that luxury and have a lot of scar tissue built up that is painful as well. Baseball is a sentimental game of course and as you get older it becomes harder to separate the past from the present from the hypothetical future -- and the future is looking shorter all the time.

Can't stop the Jeter Not with a curve, not with a heater

If we need to do any rebuilding then Hahn, TLR, and maybe Kenny needs to go. They talked multiple titles and if this is the peak, we are in trouble.

The Athletic’s review of the Velus pick:

I was open to the idea of trading Eloy if the return was right, but after another lengthy injury it would be selling low. There isn’t much value to trade without moving any of those core pieces you would want to build with and build around as you said. Adding to this core through FA was the way to go an we know how that went.

Also realistically a retool with the players we have to trade would be nigh on impossible, which players other than Vaughan, Cease, Kopech and Giolito (none of whom you would want to trade if it was just a retool) would actually generate much of a return

I don’t really know how you view this draft any other way than Poles not being a believer in Fields. Kind of seems like he is setting him up to fail.

39 years ago today!

Here is the main issue (assuming you’re being serious) Why should a single one of us think the Sox new “plan” will get them any closer to winning? Why would we have the slightest bit of faith in the FO to do it all over again? I understand the other option leaves us no real hope and you basically just have to wait until new ownership arrives and these life-time contracts Hahn and Williams have received finally expire……but I just don’t know any other way this actually happens. I just don’t see it

It's going to be fun watching the corpse of Grandal and Pollock next year.

Tear this the hell down. Either a small rebuild or a full blown rebuild. This team isn't winning this year.

The Sox have spent money. Not very efficiently though.

I think the fact that they wasted money on players of Josh Harrison's caliber is a big issue. Harrison, Leury, VV, Cueto. That stuff adds up.

Yep, he hustles to first on those weak pop ups he hits. He’s done, and it’s sad he was even considered a possible option.

Harrison hustles and is a positive influence in the clubhouse. Let’s give him a chance

Yea man he certainly would have had things going the right way

Twins will go to a six man rotation when Sonny Gray returns soon. Ryan, Gray, Ober, Bundy, Paddack, Archer. Five of those guys weren't on the team last year. Also, Michael Wacha has been incredible so far this year...and his price tag was right in the Sox range.

This is the post ur music thread no? hey rick hahn:

Haha I was going to do that one first but changed my mind. Veruca's salt Dad....I love it.