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Good teams find ways to win games. Bad teams find ways to lose them. This is a bad team.

Grifol awful arrogant for a team 11 games under, he is delusional.

VWe all must have a masochistic gene in us to continue to follow this sorry excuse for a team

Ties Jack Harshman with 16 Ks for franchise record, sad news is I remember Jack Harshman.

Friendly reminder that Sunday lineups and regular lineups are essentially the same thing these days.

consider this your game thread

Beckham...."hopefully the Sox will get back on track" What track is that Gordon? The train to Sucksville??

Happy Father's Day gentlemen. Enjoy the game although few will be watching.

Because he's just considered minor league filler. Never great stats or anything down there. Tonight might be the highlight of his career.

TA needs to go asap

Why would Quentin be a good comp? Carlos had 36 homers in his age 25 year, had a 30 homer per 162 avg, and had an 830 plus career OPS. Vaughn has shown no signs he is even close to that level.

The Sox have scored three runs or less in 39 of the 73 games played this year. That's 53.4%

Bump. It's been over 30 hours.

Only in the embarrassing world of the White Sox can their starting pitcher strike out 16 guys, but the offense is so terrible they lose the game.

I hate more players on this team than I like.

Grifol is really bad. He forgot the grand slam that ReyLo allowed on Friday wasting a 4 Sox homer game , and now tonight he assures a waste of Lynn’s masterpiece. reyLo needs to be relegated to non stressful duties. When are we going to get a good manager in this team?

Grifol needs to be fired.

No, he broke the iPad.

I don't understand starting him there in the 8th if you are just gonna pull him after a 1 pitch bunt??

Seby's 3 homer game was a pretty big one. Same with Remy coming off the bench yesterday. But this is Lance Lynn's 300th career start and he shattered his career high in strike outs.

Sox xBA: .261 Mariners xBA: .063 Sox trail by a run.

It's a 45 win team with them. Tim is probably the worst shortstop in the league this year. terrible hitting, defense and baserunning. But his demeanor is actually worse.

Twins drop 3 of 4 to the Tigers in Minnesota. The Tigers had two bullpen days in the series. The Twins were outscored 21-11.

I think he accepted his assignment to charlotte

It reminds us that they are human and no matter how much they excite or disappoint, its only a game.

Yep, I thought I was watching 1950s Golden Age of Baseball again, it was a breath of fresh air.

Yer mean.

I take everything back I said about our system. Look how they developed this guy!! Woo Woo Until next week. A week or two of film and the opposition will zero in on his weaknesses and we'll be back to reality. Yermin is a free agent right now. Be realistic.

So they say. Right shoulder soarness. But I suspect it had more to do with hitting into a double play and the inexplicably getting doubled off first

Fitting that Andrus was charged with an error, and the next 2 outs were by Remillard (air and ground) to close it out.

And if you missed it Remillard was the 1st White Soxrookie to reach base in his 1st 4 MLB AB since Johnny Callison in 1958.

Not to be lost, 6 no hit innings by the bull pen .

With all due respect, there is no current upside value to Tim Anderson. I want TA traded as badly as anyone here. However you can't sell this small period of time between 2019-22 and forget about 2023! Yes that will definitely help, but all smart teams and the Dodgers are one of them, will look at not only the stats, but also the intangible factors. Here are the 2023 stats: 1. Stat line .251/.289/.295/.584 and -0.7 WAR 2. 65.1% groundball percentage which leads MLB. 3. A complete loss of power and extra base hits! 52 singles, 9 2B, 0 3B, 0 HR 4. Below average defensive stats: (UZR) -1.7 - 16th, (DEF) 0.9 - 16th, (DWAR) 0.3 - 46th 5. Injury Prone - Between 2022 and this season, TA has only played in 129 games of a possible 233 games, which is 55% of the time. Additionally, the Dodgers have people on their staff bringing the FO executives extensive knowledge about TA's various issues before making a big trade? Factors such as: 1. Clubhouse video of his teammates' lack of support for making all-star game. 2. Frequent outbursts on the field where he has been injected from several games. 3. Constant whining about the fans and media not being more supportive of his sub-par playing. 4. His alleged multiple adultery affairs and confirmed DNA childbirths, which are heavily speculated to be a lot of Tim's inability to concentrate and have any desire to play well. Having said all that, maybe the Dodgers feel they can fix him because they do have good veteran leadership, as well as a veteran and successful manager/front office combo. I truly hope we can get a lot for Tim and it has to be now at the 2023 trade deadline. However we all know the problem here...can Rick Hahn negotiate a strong deal and not get fleeced like he typically does.

On the other hand, Anderson clearly comes with more upside, having hit .318/.347/.474 from 2019-22. Although the two-time All-Star missed 18 games early this season with a left knee sprain and has struggled to get going since then, he still boasts a 90th-percentile expected batting average, while making hard contact as often as ever. The main issue has been going from a ground ball hitter to the most extreme ground ball hitter in the sport. Even a modest adjustment -- perhaps with the Dodgers’ help -- could make Anderson a difference maker in the NL West race and into October. And with an affordable 2024 club option ($14 million), Anderson would also bolster L.A.’s depth next season, providing insurance in case Lux encounters any setbacks returning to full strength. The White Sox still have a shot in the weak AL Central, but if the team ends up selling, the Dodgers and their No. 2-ranked farm system would make for a nice match. https://www.mlb.com/news/ideal-mlb-trade-deadline-moves-2023

Can't be a Sox fan unless you hate the Sox.

I know it's not the be all end all so take it for what it's worth, but Baseball Trade Values website had TA in May '23 as a 46.0 trade value, today he is rated at 5.7.

Not sure why any team would want TA unless they weren't giving up much TBH.

I would rather keep everyone and somehow TA snaps and whacks the ball at a .400 clip the remainder. If he gets going, then we start rolling. It sure would help if our pitch recognition somehow turned as well I know the eye test says this ain't gonna happen, but it has to happen ?

The stadium issue is a legit question. I asked this once of a high ranking member of the front office just this past winter and was told that subject (i.e. new stadium) has never come up in any meeting they attended.

June 17, 2023 – It was quite a first game for Zach Remillard. The long-time minor-league player made his big-league debut in a big way in the Sox 4-3 11 inning win in Seattle. Remillard reached base four times, going 3 for 3 with a walk. He also drove in the tying run in the ninth inning and what turned out to be the winning run in the 11th. He became the first player in the modern era (since 1901) to have a game tying and game winning hit in the ninth inning or later in his debut game. His four times getting on base in his first game tied the team record first set by Johnny Callison in 1958.

This does not involve my biases. I am as harsh as anyone here when it comes to calling players out. His talent is huge and yes he has some major learning and flaws to correct relative to plate discipline. Yet that is exactly what a coaching staff, especially the hitting coach's job is to help him learn that discipline. That is not what is expected on good winning teams. They do not to expect the player to figure it out on their own, when they have Jake's type of talent.

congrats Remi..

He’s done more in one game than Timmy has all season to help them win

I don't have any links but I remember writer Jerome Holtzman writing about it. Before the final stadium vote Holtzman wrote that Einhorn questioned how big the White Sox fan base actually was. Holtzman pointed out that the team drew over 2 million fans a few years earlier. (in 1983 and 84) Einhorn bad mouthed the white Sox fans so much he was getting threats on his life. He hired body guards and was all set to move to Florida a few days after the stadium vote. Looking back at it I would liked to punched him in the mouth. He did nothing but harm to the franchise when he was here. I was surprised to see him in the parade after they won the 2005 World Series.

All the good markets are gone. Vegas TV market is 40th, below Milwaukee, the lowest current MLB market. They won't have the same fanbase for an 81 game schedule as they do for the 10 Raiders games or 40 NHL games in a 1/3 smaller arena. This was pure and simple a scam for billionaires and bribed politicians to steal a half billion from taxpayers. Nashville (27) and possibly Charlotte (21) are the final markets anyone wants, and both will either be pawned off for a billion plus expansion fee, with Baltimore possibly fleeing their dead metropolis for Nashville. Portland (22) is one of the few cities to repeatedly say go f*** yourself to billionaires looking for welfare handouts. Canada doesn't play the welfare game with billionaires for free stadiums, so Montreal's TV Corp will have to build their own stadium. Either the territory is already controlled by another team, or nobody wants The MLB in Orlando (17), Sacramento (20), Raleigh-Durham (23), Indianapolis (25), Salt Lake City (29), San Antonio (31), Columbus (32), Hartford (34), Austin (35), Greenville-Spartanburg (37) and West Palm Beach (39). There certainly are not any "Brooklyn Dodgers" scenarios, save if baseball expanded to Tokyo and perhaps a couple more Japanese cities, and possibly Mexico City might be worth something despite the lower per capita income.

It’s pretty easy to ask these kind of super tough questions when your own livelihood isn’t on the line

Playing Burger at 2B is absurd.

I've only said that on about half a dozen posts. If you did more than just cntr-f for my posts and other "gotcha" moments on this forum you'd know that. You're a pest dude, all you do is troll. On topics you've personally been wrong about you never, ever offer any thoughts. On topics in which you personally don't have a beef with a poster (of which you have many, you know what they say about assholes in the morning and all day) you're usually nowhere to be found. You're a middle aged man, like myself, that has a career and other interests and yet unlike myself you seem to have the posting mentality of a 15 year old on reddit armed with a downvote and some circle jerk coins. Go read my posts on Burger. I was wrong. And if you know anything about my posting history here beyond your superficial, puerile harvesting for gotcha takes you'd have read my multiple posts not only saying I was wrong but that I am looking forward to personally apologizing to Jake when I see him on a MLB field. Honestly dude go fuck yourself you're such a worthless poster. You're the Soxtalk equivalent of Josh Donaldson.