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Eh among the 10,000 other things the Sox are lacking, personality is one of them, so I don’t mind it. It beats Hahn’s lawyer speak and Grifol saying anything at all.

We all wanted the Sox to go outside the organization, they went outside the organization. We screamed about Royal connections, they're signing coaches without Royal connections. It all seems like a plan. edit - and once Thames left the Yankees after 2022, their hitting fell off a cliff. I like it.

If the idea was to drive fan interest lower than it was when JR spearheaded the strike that took his own team off a WS path, then I would say mission accomplished

Because the Sox need a middle of the order, left handed, high obp bat in the lineup

…who dropped the fly ball in 2005…in…. Kansas City!!

Wait, they actually hired a guy who was known for the stuff that he will be in charge of? What madness is this?

He was with the Yankees for 6 years.

That's the White Sox way. Waste millions of dollars of retreads, injury-prone stiffs and has-been's but when it comes to nabbing a game changer, a superstar (Hello: Bryce Harper...) no...can't do that! ?

Yankees, dodgers, guardians…seems fine

Changing the jersey name from Thames to Thome should be cheap. Jerry will be pleased.

Pretty sure my reaction to every signing or rumored interest is going to be ? Least compelling offseason in a long time

Tony Kemp for 2B. Too perfect of a White Sox "aging veteran" move.

Mood? Excited to watch the flurry of moves around the league. Regarding the White Sox? Indifferent. They are essentially dead to me until change happens at the top.

He says it in this clip. It was good to hear because all of us don't like this team either CG.

2024 could be a very pivotal year for the White Sox franchise, I can never remember Sox fans being this depressed with the Sox, if JR doesn’t step up and spend some real money on premier free agents I think Sox fans will abandon the team and by the time the lease is up on Sox Park they won’t be drawing flies to the games and will be on their way to Nashville or some other city where there will be a lot more support. I don’t expect them to sign Ohtani but they need to think real hard about guys like Bellinger and a few more, signing guys like Whit Merrifield ain’t going to hack it. They also need to think seriously about replacing Grifol, it would go a long way towards Sox fans thinking that the franchise is serious about winning and competing as soon as possible, who gets that feeling with this buffoon that we had as manager last season.

I've never thought of switching my fandom from the Sox and that's after now spending the majority of my life in So Cal . I know the Sox are bad and honestly a historically bad franchise. Family tradition was Sox fandom and I embraced it . It helped with my relationship with any sports minded member of my family. I got a World Series win from it. While I might write a lot about how JR is the root of all Sox problems I just don't take it personally. I'm entrenched in my fandom but not an emotional prisoner of it.

I think they truly want to shake up that clubhouse. Tim will find something whether it’s at SS or 2B.

former royal

Maybe because the Sox are running out of available people from KC, or because no coach in their right mind would pick the Chicago White Sox as a destination so our options are limited to losing organizations.

Get ready for Benetti every single game “DeJong an Illinois State Redbird and Lopez a Naperville Central Redhawk”

Look at everything through the lens of "Pedro hates rookies"

How can you rationalize signing BOTH DeJong and Lopez and not giving Sosa or Rodriguez a shot at at least one of the spots.

That is one thing this team are already good at.

Just let Sosa or Rodriguez play

I'm not sure that there is anything in his post playing career that would suggest this.

I think I would have picked this option up. It's very likely Tim will bounce back significantly next year (even if only to league average), simply because it's hard to replicate such an abysmal season for a player who still has so much of his peak athleticism remaining. Moreover, one more year of TA is the perfect bridge to Montgomery, without any reasonable short-term alternative elsewhere in the system. Now, if they want to "compete," the only options are to (1) rush Montgomery, or (2) sign a free agent, which will be less talented than TA and cost just as much (or more, in terms of years). Actually, now that I think about it, this gives the Sox a couple options they are quite comfortable with: ruin prospects by rushing them to the majors and/or light money on fire by spending it as inefficiently as possible on middling players in free agency. I guess if I'm steel-manning the move, it may simply be the case that the year was so unbelievably toxic and TA had such a miserable season that there was just no way to expect better results in 2024 without a change of scenery. I can believe this.

Why not stop beating around your bush and just give us your political slant on things?

Probably done following this team until JR dies or sells. There's nothing to follow. They are the worst organization in baseball.

For the 1st time in my life I just don't care anymore. This owner ruined baseball and basketball for me.

Bounced around a lot the last three years. Three different teams. Yankees and Angels with Ohtani/Trout high profile. Marlins more like the current Sox in 2022.

Ladies and Gentleman, we got him.

White Sox: "Hey man, broke up with my girlfriend." Soxtalk: "Oh thank god, she was the worst!" WS: "but we got back together." ST: ".... happy for you guys!"

Kenny always gets his guy

Never heard so much news about a guy's kid and baby mama. It was creepy.

The only ones with managing experience were Torborg who managed Cleveland during a nap, Renteria who the Cubs tossed out with the rest of the trash, and drunken old washed up LaRussa. Now they have a clown as GM. This is not a serious organization. Hasn't been for at least 30 years.

Why do you care about how much a team spends, specifically on a manager? It doesn't count against the tax. Do you believe the Cubs giving him 8 million a year will preclude them from signing a player? If not, then as a fan, how could you be even mildly upset the team you cheer for went out and hired without question the best manager in the market?

Montgomery was the "if they're truly gonna do something" signing that I felt I might as well add. You could also do plenty of those deals (sans Montgomery) as 1 year deals, just bump the pay up. Part of it is my low confidence in prospects hitting with this organization + the fact that tanking won't make a lot of sense since they very likely won't be able to draft in the top 10 in 2025.

Naw I have, I just am not ready to question moves yet when I can't say with certainty that "all trades must be bad because the White Sox might do them." The one spot where I did say "This isn't right" wasn't that they are bringing in guys that Getz knows from other places, instead it was where Barfield seemed to think that it was his job to personally work to fix Michael Kopech, which is completely the wrong way of thinking for a guy in upper management. The White Sox are in a spot where, given that they have the most money in the AL Central to spend, if their GM does an "Average" job then they are going to regularly be competitive for the division. Getz could bring in a lot of guys who are "Average", and in 2 or 3 years he's got a team that wins in the low to mid 80s in a normal year and is regularly competing for the division. That they were with the Royals doesn't mean they can't do an "Average job". That they were with the Royals doesn't mean that all trades must immediately go bust. It took years for us to understand that the reason every trade Rick Hahn made went bust was that Rick Hahn and the people around him were terrible at their jobs. And they didn't come from the Royals. That Barfield didn't seem to understand what the appropriate role should be for the #2 guy in the organization - that's a much worse sign than the fact that Getz knew him previously.

Right but who are you going to get on a one-year deal that has a chance to be better? Multiple years for Amed Rosario or Kiner-Falefa coming off 0.2 fWAR seasons? One year for a bit less for Brandon Crawford coming off a 63 wRC+? Didi Gregorious coming off of 58 wRC+? They're still gonna have to spend, it's just going to be a for a worse player, or a more expensive one, or both.

Tim posted a nice tribute of his time here on his instragram. Luis Robert responded that he's his twin which Anderson responded that he loves him as a brother. Never got the impression at all that Luis, and TA alongside Hendriks and Giolito were ever the issues in the clubhouse but I know this board has made up their mind differently.

His on the field performance seemed to fall apart at just about the same time as his off the field issues hit, and his on the field performance collapsed in such a specific way that you'd think he was just distracted. In 2022 as part of the opening 8 game losing streak, there was a multi-game stretch where he was fielding just about as well as I would. He wasn't hurt, he was still seemingly playing, but he basically forgot how to "Defense". While we never got the whole story, it sure seemed like "off the field stuff is leaking through onto the field" was the most rational explanation.

If they feel he's worth it, he's worth it. Period. Full stop. And it's not caring what the Cubs do, i.e. "We're Chicago's American League team" - Eddie Einhorn... that has helped put the Sox in their position of irrelevancy in the Chicago area. You are in a two team market, they are competing for the fan dollar, you better give a damn what they do.

Craig Counsell signed what would be the 11th largest free agent contract the White Sox have ever given out. As a GM. We are not a serious franchise.

The path to the Sox is the same for any other player in 95% of circumstances. Offer the most money, get the player. There are very few circumstances where the most after tax money doesn't win out. Of course if all is the same or extremely close, a player may prefer destination A to destination B based on any number of things, but the "no FA wants to sign here" gets totally overplayed here. Most players will be happy to sign with the Sox if they are the high bidder. This post is NOT necessarily directed at you, Bob fwiw.

I see a slight path for Gio, but JR would have to put his anti union feelings to rest. I think Gio would love to work with Katz. In fact, I think Flaherty may want that as well. 1 year contracts to see if they can make some cash.

Thinking about switching to a different team. If the Sox were a loaf of bread that is poor quality do we still eat and buy the bread? Odd how we worship sports organizations. I think the only thing that is attractive about this organization is the stupidity. People like that

Like Iowa FB fans as they win 2023 Big10 West but lose to Michigan or OSU 61-0 in the Championship Game and then have to face 2024 USC UCLA Washington Oregon…with coaching/managing equivalent of TLR in Ferentz still running 2002 jailbreak screen offense with an immobile pocket-based QB.

god i hate hearing the truth. that's why they shoot the messenger sometimes.

This was more just an exercise for me to see what I could assemble based on what’s out there in free agency. The assumptions I had was based upon not really competing hard in 2024, which feels far remote despite what Jerry will say. I stayed away from the top free agents at the positions since I highly doubt they would want to come to the southside and also I doubt the Sox are looking to lock up players now. So as a result, trying to find guys with maybe some upside that would be agreeable to 1 or 2 year contracts, maybe with options. Overall, without really analyzing the bullpen free agents or the bench… this roster would come out a little over $160 million. Room to maybe pick up another fringe starting arm or two since the AAA farm is dry these days. Definitely could add some cheap vet bullpen arms on cheap 1 yr contracts. The bench should be cheap organizational prospects with upside (Sosa, Korey Lee, etc). This lineup is nowhere near Central ready to compete, but offers some potential players that may be able to be moved if they break out. The best part is they can be traded, kept on their short contracts or even DFA’d if needed at some point. As other stated, I do try to move Cease and Eloy in trades if possible at some point. I am definitely free of Moncada, Eloy and Bummer at the end of 2024 (unless Eloy rebounds somehow). c Victor Caratini, FA 1+1 option yr $8 million OR Tom Murphy (same deal) 1b Vaughn $1.2 million arb. 2b Adam Frazier FA 2 yrs $16 million or Whit Merrifield, 1yr $6 million SS Amed Rosario FA 2 yrs $14 million or maybe that 2nd is an option 3b Yoan Moncada $24.8 million LF Benintendi $17.1 million CF Robert $12.5 million RF Colas $780k DH Jimenez $13,833,333 SP Cease $8 mill arb SP J. Flaherty, FA 3yr $34 million SP Kopech $5 mill arb SP L. Severino, FA 1 yr $9 million SP Montas, FA 1 yr $8 million Now I want to go throw up…